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Fredriksen1882
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 Posted - 13/10/2016 : 03:22:05
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Hello,
As a native English speaker who does not read much Norwegian, I am seeking assistance in deciphering three church records listed below. I would be very grateful for any assistance.
Digital page 67 of the Skoger kirkeboker, record #98 at the top of the page, records the birth and baptism of my great great grandfather Fredrik, in 1852. The handwriting is quite clear and neat, but I would greatly appreciate a translation of the column headings, and also the information in the baptism record itself. I can make out the spelling of some, but not all, of the names, and need help with the other words.
Digital page 81 (actual page 78) of the Paulus prestekontor kirkeboker, record #47, records the marriage of the same individual (my great great grandfather Fredrik Raflesen) to Jensine Kristiane Olsen, in 1878. I would be grateful for a translation of the column headings, and the record itself. The only words I can make out clearly are my great great grandparents’ names, and the names of their respective fathers (Fredrik Raflesen and Thomas Olsen).
Digital page 142 (actual page 135) of the Paulus church register, record #277, records the baptism of the above couple’s son, Thomas Martinius in 1878 (just one week after their marriage took place). Again, a translation of the column headings and the record itself would be gratefully appreciated.
Your help and clarifications will go a long way in helping me with my family research, and will mean a great deal to us. |
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Hopkins
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vivi
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Posted - 13/10/2016 : 12:53:30
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Hi
About the baptizm of Fredrik:
No (of children baptized this year)
98
Den oppgivne Fødselsdatum = the date of birth as told
28 september 1852
Daabsdatum = date of baptizm
21 november
Barnets fulde name = the name of the child
Frederik
Om ægte eller uægte = born legitimate or illegitimate
Uægte = illegitimate (his parents were not married)
Dets foreldres fulde navn, borgerlige stilling og opholdssted = the child's parent's full name, occupation and residence
Pige (Unmarried girl) Elisabeth Henriksdatter Sundhaug og ungkarl (and bachelor) bogbindersvend (bookbinderapprentice) Frederik Raflesen af (from) Bragernæs/nu i udlandet (now abroad)
Faddernes navne = name of the goodparents/sponsors
Karine Marie Henriksdatter Sundhaug, Anne Dorthea Henriksdatter af (from) Bragernæs, Niels Henriksen af Strømsø, Skrædder(?) (tailor?) Ellef Hansen og (and) Christian Evensen Sundhaug
The last column tells us it was the childs mother who gave theis information
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eibache
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Posted - 13/10/2016 : 13:09:33
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#47
Bachelor goldsmith apprentice Fredrik Raflesen and Jensine Kristiane Olsen, Markveien 32 were married July 7 1878.
Fredrik Raflesen came from Ullensaker and was born 1852 and confirmated Oct 2 1870 in Ullensaker. #52.
His father was bookbinder apprentice Fredrik Raflesen.
Jensine Kristiane Olsen came from Svelvik and was born 1857 and confirmated April 7 1872 in Strømmen. Her father was seacaptain Thomas Olsen. |
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eibache
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Posted - 13/10/2016 : 13:15:58
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#277
Thomas Martinius was born by unmarried parents March 9 1878 and baptized July 14 1878.
His mother was maiden Jensine Olsen (born 1857) and his father was goldsmith apprentice Fredrik Raflesen (born 1852), living at Markvejen 32.
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Edited by - eibache on 13/10/2016 20:19:53 |
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eibache
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Posted - 13/10/2016 : 13:23:30
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Jensine Kristiane (Olsen) Thomasdatter was living with her mother and siblings in Svelvik in 1875, see link.
Her parents were married Sept 30 1847, see #27. |
Einar |
Edited by - eibache on 13/10/2016 20:28:13 |
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eibache
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Posted - 13/10/2016 : 13:28:22
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Fredrik (Raflesen) Fredriksen was living in Markveien 32, Kristiania in 1875, see link.
Here it says he was born in Drammen. (Skoger, where he was born, is a neighboring municipality to Drammen.)
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Edited by - eibache on 13/10/2016 20:30:36 |
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jkmarler
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Fredriksen1882
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Posted - 13/10/2016 : 23:10:18
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Thank you so very much for all of your tremendous help! The information is like the tumblers of a lock turning. So much family history makes sense, now that I understand Fredrik Rofelsen (the elder) had two children out of wedlock (he certainly got around)! It explains why I could never find his marriage record. And knowing his profession as a bookbinder is especially interesting to me, because I rebind antiquarian books as an avocation, and have a small bookbinding studio in my home!
Fredrik Rafelsen (the younger, who was an apprentice goldsmith) and his wife Jensine, moved to Newburyport, Massachusetts in 1882, where he went to work as a silver smelter at Towle Silver Co. They had a number of children, including my grandfather Norman Fredriksen. He died in 1933, just two years after his daughter (my mother) was born. She never knew him as a result, and her own mother soon remarried and didn't pass on much information about that chapter in her life. As a result, a great deal of family history had been lost for decades. My mother made a journey to Norway to try to make a connection to her past, and sat on the rocky shoreline of Oslo looking out to sea... All she knew is that her grandfather had come from there, and she wanted so badly to make a connection to her past.
So thank you again for helping me to reclaim this history that had been lost to us for the past 80 years, so that I can share it with my family. There are other branches of the family tree that I had carefully assembled, by cross-referencing records from the Norway Digital Archives, FamilySearch, Ancestry, and bits and pieces of family history handed down. But this important part of the family tree was unknown to us.
I have made a donation to this site, as a token of my appreciation and support. I look forward to future forum postings!
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Fredriksen1882
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Posted - 14/10/2016 : 03:19:36
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| As a follow-up, I'm almost afraid to ask this, but could digital page 190 (actual page 185) of the Oslo domkirke Kirkebøker, record #215 from the year 1848, refer to the same Fredrik "Raffelsen" as above? A translation would be helpful. Thank you! |
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Fredriksen1882
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Posted - 14/10/2016 : 05:23:03
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Here’s a question… would the residence identified as “Markvejen 32” in the church register be the same as
this address at 32 Markveien in Oslo today?
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jkmarler
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Posted - 14/10/2016 : 08:18:00
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quote:
Originally posted by Fredriksen1882
As a follow-up, I'm almost afraid to ask this, but could digital page 190 (actual page 185) of the Oslo domkirke Kirkebøker, record #215 from the year 1848, refer to the same Fredrik "Raffelsen" as above? A translation would be helpful. Thank you!
Bookbinder Fredrik Raffelson? Most likely your guy but interestingly there are two other Raffelsons among the godparents, Caroline, and Harald.
The family I think, children of Hans Raffelson & Grete Karine Hansdatter:
Fredrik: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N4KM-FY9
Harald 1: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N4KM-GMH
Harald 2: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N4KM-1RL
Caroline: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N4K9-ZHZ
Reinhard: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N4K9-JRP
Haakon: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N4K9-7MH
Hans Raphaelson third up from bottom of right page:
SAO, Asker prestekontor Kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0003: Ministerialbok nr. I 3, 1767-1807, s. 139
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061114010318
Hans Raphaelson moving into Kristiania:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/gen/vis/291/pu00000000146283
Marriage of Hans Raffelson & Karine:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NW9Z-3H8
Hans Raphaelson b 1797 in 1801 census:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01058218003322
Possibly the father Hans Raffelsen in the 1865 census (age differs):
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01038013000188
Sister Caroline in 1865 census:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01038027005159
Sister Caroline's child Cathinka Helene b 2 Feb 1867, none of the godparents appear to be relatives of easy detection #14:
SAO, Trefoldighet prestekontor Kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0002: Parish register (official) no. I 2, 1863-1870, p. 185
Quick link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20060213050190
Possibly the brother Haakon in 1875?
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01052055014028
Google translates Haakon's status as "Forced Naughty social institution."  Makes me wonder what he's done....
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eibache
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Posted - 14/10/2016 : 09:11:10
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Yes, the photo of Markveien 32 is the same as Markvejen 32.
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Fredriksen1882
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Posted - 14/10/2016 : 15:01:52
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| Thank you... so IF this is "our" Fredrik Rafflesen, then his brother's marriage record to Karine shows that his father's name is Raphael Pedersen, correct? |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 14/10/2016 : 15:54:24
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| Not exactly. I think Frederik Richard Hansen is your Fredrik Raffelsen (the father of the immigrant Fredrik Fredriksen.) Hans Raffelsen is FRH's father. Hans' father is Raffel or Raphael Pederson. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 14/10/2016 17:04:15 |
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jkmarler
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Help appreciated deciphering marriage and baptism
