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Fredriksen1882
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Posted - 15/10/2016 :  05:01:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Fantastic! Those are indeed my great grandparents. I knew Jensine came over in 1882, and as I mentioned above, Fredrik was a goldsmith in Oslo, and this is reflected in the linked records. Thank you again - you guys are the best!

Michael Fredriksen Stewart
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eibache
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Norway
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Posted - 15/10/2016 :  10:10:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Summing up for Frederik (Raflesen) Fredriksen:
Peder Hansen and Magrethe Christensdatter were married Oct 24 1756
their children:
Raphael Pedersen, born July 24 1757
Goro Pedersdatter, Jan 23 1760

Raphael Pedersen and Birte Hansdatter were married Jan 11 1784
their children:
Peder Raphaelsen, born March 7 1784
Catrine Raphaelsdatter, born June 19 1785
Hans Raphaelsen, born March 1 1797
Anne Margrete Raphaelsdatter, born Oct 5 1801

Hans Raphaelsen and Grete Karine Hansdatter were married Nov 5 1824
their children:
Fredrik Richard Hansen, born Aug 26 1825
Harald Hansen, born April 28 1827
Harald Hansen, born May 1 1830
Hakkon Hansen, born July 23 1831
Caroline Hansdatter, born May 19 1833
Reinhard Hansen, born Feb. 1 1835

Fredrik Richard Hansen (Raffelsen) had 2 ”uægte” (born out of wedlock) children
Andreas Fredriksen, born 1852 in Strømsø, mother Olava Andersdatter
Fredrik Fredriksen, born sept 28 1852, mother Elisabeth Henriksdatter

Fredrik Fredriksen and Jensine Kristiane (Olsen) Thomasdatter were married July 7 1878
their children:
Thomas Martinius, born out of wedlock March 9 1878
Martha, born 1879
Family emigrated to US

Einar

Edited by - eibache on 19/10/2016 21:10:52
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Fredriksen1882
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Posted - 15/10/2016 :  13:26:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This is excellent assistance, and I am just overwhelmed by it. I have learned so much, first by doing as much research on my own as I could until I discovered this site. The responsiveness is deeply appreciated!

Michael Fredriksen Stewart
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Fredriksen1882
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Posted - 15/10/2016 :  13:37:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is an interesting find from a law book. Could this be my ancestor, do you think? Page 183, #117.

https://books.google.no/books?id=G_EKAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA183&lpg=PA183&dq=raflesen&source=bl&ots=4iuyEW1poB&sig=wisy_pto1q_c1BNMf1D_WO14idk&hl=no&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi1mtXhpb_PAhWEJCYKHT8SAd4Q6AEIVzAJ#v=onepage&q=raflesen&f=false

Michael Fredriksen Stewart
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jkmarler
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USA
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Posted - 15/10/2016 :  14:27:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sorry to say so but probably. The year is 1871, Kristiania is one of his known venues. Have you translated it? Looks like to me, 20 days in jail on bread and water for theft at age 19 or so.
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Fredriksen1882
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Posted - 15/10/2016 :  14:58:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Aha! Well, every family needs a "colorful" character, or two. It looks like we've found ours!

Michael Fredriksen Stewart

Edited by - Fredriksen1882 on 15/10/2016 15:01:20
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eibache
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Norway
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Posted - 15/10/2016 :  15:02:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Summing up for Jensine Kristiane (Olsen) Thomasdatter:
Ole Evensen (16xx - 1708) and Live Christophersdatter had the daughter:
Anna

Hans Marcussen, (16xx - 1730) owner of the farm Hannevig, married to Anna Olsdatter had the children:
Marcus
Jacob
Ole
Christen
Rasmus
Live
Marthe
Ingeborg

Marcus Hansen (1702 - 1796) married to Christine Torsdatter had the children:
Frantz
Jens

Jacob Kaspersen Fischer (1738 - 1805) and Naomi Hansdatter (1732 - 1800) at the farm Knive had the children:
Marthe Maria
Kasper
Hans Mikael
Paal
Meinert
Gunhild Johanne
Anniken
Otto

Jens Marcussen and Marthe Maria Jacobsdatter had the children:
Christine, baptized Aug 23 1778
Marcus, baptized June 4 1780
Christine Maria, baptized March 17 1782
Marcus, baptized Oct 24 1784
Jacob, baptized Febr 4 1787
Gunnild Johanne, baptized Oct 19 1788
Naomi, baptized Dec 11 1791
Caspar Fischer, baptized March 8 1795
Anne Kirstine, baptized Febr 11 1798

Gabriel Hansen and Christine Jacobsdatter were married July 12 1783
their children:
Grethe Helene, baptized April 18 1784
Jacob, baptized May 28 1786
Anne Thorine, baptized Febr 6 1789
Helena, baptized Dec 6 1791
Inger Karine, baptized Sept 14 1794

Jacob Gabrielsen and Gunnild Johanne Jensdatter were married Nov 5 1818
their children:
Grethe Helene, born Jan 25 1819
Jens Christian, born March 23 1822
Marthe Maria, born May 22 1825

Ole Thorstensen and Berthe Torsdatter were married June 15 1822
their children:
Thomas, born Febr 22 1823
Karen Dorthea, born Febr 15 1825
Bergitte Kirstine, born April 13 1827

Thomas Olsen and Marthe Maria Jacobsdatter were married Sept 30 1847
their children:
Olava Birgitte, born Jan 25 1848
Ottilie Bastine, born Aug 17 1849
Janette Gustava, born Dec 31 1851
Oluf Johan, born Nov 9 1854
Jensine Kristiane, born April 12 1857
Thorvald Martinius, born Nov 25 1859
Kornelius Marcilius, born March 26 1862
Johan Olsen, born Jan 5 1866
Noomi?? Ovidia, born July 9 1868
Jensine Kristiane married Fredrik Fredriksen and emigrated to US.

Einar

Edited by - eibache on 16/10/2016 15:06:06
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eibache
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Posted - 16/10/2016 :  10:53:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This is the place Hakon resided in 1875 link.

Einar
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Fredriksen1882
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Posted - 16/10/2016 :  13:51:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you; I really appreciate the additional information. You all have been so helpful to me and my family!

So the records clearly indicate that some of my mother's paternal ancestors faced a variety of hardships, and I can see why they were desirous of seeking a happier life. I only wish they could have found it in their native land. It's hard for me to imagine uprooting my family and moving to another country; to do so with few resources, spending a difficult 10 days at sea, arriving on another continent, speaking a different language, finding work, and a place to live... Their incentives to move must have been very strong.

So many immigrants say they wish for a better life, not just for themselves, but for their children. I'm happy to share that when Fredrik and Jensine moved to the US, their son Norman, my grandfather, went to public school and then attended and graduated from the prestigious Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). He had to work part-time, but he managed to graduate with a degree in chemistry. He was a chemical engineer during World War I, working for the Bureau of Mines, dealing with gases. After the war, he went on to work for the Armstrong company, and holds a patent for the chemical composition of manufactured floor tiles. Although he died as a young man, when my mother was only two years old, it inspired her to study chemistry in college, too. She went on to get her bachelors degree, and then a divinity degree in theology. She became one of the earliest ordained female ministers in the Presbyterian Church.

Michael Fredriksen Stewart

Edited by - Fredriksen1882 on 16/10/2016 16:11:28
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Fredriksen1882
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Posted - 16/10/2016 :  22:02:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Eibache, could you provide a link to the record showing Hakon Hansen at Prinds? I looked in the 1875 census but did not see it there. Thank you!

Michael Fredriksen Stewart
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eibache
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Norway
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Posted - 16/10/2016 :  22:18:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You find him as no. 270 here.

Einar
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Fredriksen1882
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Posted - 16/10/2016 :  22:56:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you; I checked Hansen but not Raflesen. How is the word sojour translated into English?

Michael Fredriksen Stewart
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eibache
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Norway
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Posted - 17/10/2016 :  09:07:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
How is the word sojour translated into English?

Sjouer - today sjauer, a handler who move goods.

Einar

Edited by - eibache on 17/10/2016 11:37:39
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jkmarler
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USA
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Posted - 17/10/2016 :  13:30:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Probably Jensine's brother Oluf in 1900:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01037128001171

Oluf's wife Emilie and daughter Johanne came to US in 1920 Emilie says to her daughter meaning Olga who came to US in 1906:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/gen/vis/8/pe00000001164957

Probably Olga as Olga Thomson in 1910 in Boston:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M2K5-H65

Also her marriage to John Liverud in 1910:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N4DS-V3B

Olga Liverud in 1920 in Malden Mass:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MX1Q-SYB

Olga's passport application for a visit to Norway. Nice picture of Olga and her daughters:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV5B-HW81

Olga Liverud and Lillian Liverud in 1940 census (ages and stations are a bit mixed up)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K4FN-PGH

Olga Liverud in FAG:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=liverud&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=171088077&df=all&

The brother Thorvald in 1900 (there are actually two listings for him):
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01037128001166

as sailor aboard ship:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01100021002698

as a visitor to US in 1903?:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/gen/vis/8/pe00000000530379

The brother Cornelius in 1900:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01037123002559

As Cordelius visiting US in 1888:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/gen/vis/8/pe00000001020699

The brother Johan living with his mother in 1900:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01037128001164

Edited by - jkmarler on 19/10/2016 00:29:34
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jkmarler
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USA
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Posted - 18/10/2016 :  15:35:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Fredrik Fredriksen's half brother Hans in 1865 census?:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01038024006117

Fredrik Hansen Raffelsen's residence in 1848 for the birth of Hans Fredrik Fredrikson Raflesen was given as Gjørtlersvend (iron worker) Fallman's farm. Fallman seems to be a fairly uncommon name in Norway. Here's a link to a widow Grete Fallman in 1865 census. Her daughter Emma is married to a Hans Sogn who is listed as a bookbinder and living at the same address in 1865, curious:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01038027023232

Edited by - jkmarler on 19/10/2016 15:04:25
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