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kayryan
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 Posted - 28/10/2016 : 14:31:06
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| Looking for information on my Great Grandfather Ole Olsen & his identical twin brother Andrew Olsen, born about 1856. Mothers name possibly Johanna. They were on a ship as crew to Australia docking possibly in Adelaide. Australia about the late 1880's.They jumped ship & didn't return to Norway. My Great Grandfather married Emily Wilcox in 1890 in Liverpool New South Wales, Australia. He was involved in the Salvation Army in 1990. He had 2 children Ernest & Rose. Don't know what happened to Andrew & cant find information for Ole who was known in Australia as John. Ole died in 1918 in Australia. I have photos of them both. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 28/10/2016 : 16:11:39
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Hi kayryan, here we have a familiar problem, that too little is known about the emigrant in his new adopted country. Thus, there is no way to toss a line out to Norway and have it catch on the answer.
Ole Olsen and Andrew (Andreas or Anders, maybe) are common names. Being twins is distinctive, but the set up of the Norway digital archives does not allow to search for twins. (see Jackie's note re twins)
No full birth day-month-year is known. No known parents. No known location in Norway. No definite location and date of arrival in NSW.
On the plus side, 1856 or thereabouts is a great birth era, since Norway 1865 census is digitally searchable and the boys are likely still living together as twins, with parents, at that time. That said, we sometimes find that the birth year for these mysterious emigrants may be earlier than thought. Ole and Anders could get a job on a ship after confirmation, about age 14.
The forum may miraculously find an answer for you. But more likely, you'll need to scour Australia first to gather as much data as possible.
Ole's parents may be named on his marriage record. Do you have a copy of the original?
Ditto his death record.
Ditto his obituary.
If he became a naturalized citizen, his citizenship papers may shed light.
The birth, marriage, and death records, etc, for his children may hold clues - such as listing his name in an alternate way. Apparently you have some record or records that name him John? If Ernest and Rose had middle names, those could be clues.
Ole's occupation or land records might, maybe, be relevant.
The church membership of Ole and Emily, if any, might be relevant (sometimes both a civil marriage record exists AND a church record, for example).
The next step then would be to post all your information - naming each source, and posting all information in that source. For example, a fuller description of why his mother might be Johanne. See the Christain Tromm thread as an example of the forum's tolerance for, and need of, as much detail as possible!
All best |
Edited by - JaneC on 28/10/2016 19:51:53 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 28/10/2016 : 17:04:32
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There is a Family Tree on Ancestry.com that has some information on this family. However as expected nothing is know of the parents of John (Ole) and Andrew. I will post what I find in the hopes that it will lead us somewhat. It does not give us much to go on.
John Olsen
in the Australia, Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: John Olsen
Death Date: 1918
Death Place: New South Wales
Father's name: Ole
Mother's name: Johanna
Registration Year: 1918
Registration Place: Liverpool, New South Wales
Registration Number: 7033
John Olsen
in the Australia, Marriage Index, 1788-1950
Name: John Olsen
Spouse Name: Emily Wilcox
Marriage Date: 1890
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Liverpool, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1890
Registration Number: 4581 |
Edited by - AntonH on 28/10/2016 17:05:56 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 28/10/2016 : 17:08:14
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The information on the twin brother is actually more complete.
Andrew Olsen
in the New South Wales, Australia, Registers of Coroners' Inquests, 1821-1937
Name: Andrew Olsen
Birth Year: abt 1857
Birth Place: Christiana, Norway
Death Year: Abt 1928
Death Place: Sydney
Inquest Date: 24 May 1928
Inquest Place: Sydney
Age: 71 |
Edited by - AntonH on 28/10/2016 17:09:50 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 28/10/2016 : 17:24:57
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That could be the right Andrew. Maybe same man here: link
North Ryde is a suburb of Sydney.
There are other Olsens buried same cemetery, could check with cemetery about whether thIs Andrew is buried beside a wife. link
Find a Grave has a John Olsen died 1918 in Liverpool NSW. He was born 1844. link
Here is Emily Wilcox Olsen, 1860-1920, FAG memorial in Grafton link
So.....
Thus far we have no evidence his name was Ole.
We haven't firmed up whether for sure that's his death record posted 1918
We have no evidence he was born ca 1856 (the death record that was cited seems to match the FAG memorial for John b ca 1844)
These issues can be cleared up; I'm just summarizing where we're at now.
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Edited by - JaneC on 28/10/2016 18:14:03 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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JaneC
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 28/10/2016 : 20:16:49
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Here is a very good possibility. Asker is just outside Oslo/Christiania.
#51 Andreas Olsen, birth: 14 January 1857, christening: 22 February 1857
#52 Ole Olsen, birth: 14 January 1857, christening: 22 February 1857
Parents: Ole Aalsen & Henrikke Olsdr, Høvigeie, Asker, Akershus.
The mother is a widow with her twins in census-1865.
The twins Ole Olsen Tanum & Andreas Olsen Høvigeiet were confirmed on October 1st, 1871, see #20 and #21.
"Tanum" indicates that Ole is working as a farmhand on the Tanum farm. "Høvigeiet" is the place they were born, so Andreas is probably at home, assisting his mother.
Ole Olsen is a sailor in census-1875.  |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 28/10/2016 : 22:01:22
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Ole Olsen Høvig b 1857 is looking good! Now if we can pitch that death record with mother Johanne, that would be great.
As a weird aside, "Larvevollen" is a little reminiscent of that mysterious place name for Christian Tromm (didn't that start "Lauden...")? |
Edited by - JaneC on 28/10/2016 22:07:32 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 28/10/2016 : 22:17:14
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Ole Ouelsen (37) & Hendrikka Olsdr (29) got married in Asker, Akershus on 14 Apr 1844. See #16.
His father: Ouel Poulsen
Her father: Ole Hendriksen
Census-1875 shows that the twins Ole and Andreas has an older sister named Ingeborg Oline, born 1848. She has a child named Andreas, born 1870.
Both Ingeborg and her mother Hendrikke are widows, and are receiving support from the poor relief fund. |
Edited by - jwiborg on 28/10/2016 22:32:06 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/10/2016 : 22:45:21
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| This could be Andreas Olsen in 1875 link |
Edited by - JaneC on 28/10/2016 22:46:21 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 29/10/2016 : 00:14:43
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This looks like the twins' newphew:
#231 Andreas Johansen, birth: 11 October 1870, christening: 25 December 1870, Asker, Akershus.
Parents: Blacksmith Johan Andreasen (22) & Ingeborg Olsdr (23), Lysaker
I'm not sure how to proceed here? How can these twins be tied to the Australian brothers? To dig further back in their ancestry here in Norway does not seem relevant at this stage. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 29/10/2016 : 00:22:45
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Sailor's records maybe....
Mother's dodfallsprotokol maybe
Obits in Australia maybe |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 29/10/2016 : 00:58:01
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I have a very good feeling for these twins.
- Born in 1857
- Living just outside Oslo (today it's within the borders of Oslo)
- Ole is a sailor in 1875.
- What looks like Andreas is a blacksmith-boy at a shipowner in 1875.
- Father is dead before 1865, and mother (61) is living on the poor relief fund in 1875. A high possiblity that she passed away before 1890.
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vivi
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Norway
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 29/10/2016 : 01:55:36
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Depending on what the source is for the name Johanna-- apparently from a transcribed death record, was the informant someone who should know?
#43 is apparently Henrikke Olsdatter's confirmation, without mention of an additional name like Johanna:
SAO, Nes prestekontor Kirkebøker, A/Aa/L0005: Ministerialbok nr. I 5, 1815-1835, s. 540-541
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061103050032
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Seeking Information on GG Father Ole Olsen
