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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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kayryan
Starting member
Australia
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 Posted - 29/10/2016 : 04:52:10
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| Thank you everyone for your interest in this puzzle. And thanks for all the links to possible matches. I'm sure the ancestry.com information gained, was from my family tree with ancestry.com.au. I have only been developing my Family tree on ancestry.com this year. I don't live in NSW where my Great Grandfather lived. I think I now need as suggested to seek out some copies of marriage & death certificates, if they still exist in the Archives, in the hope there will be some information regarding Oles parents.Then with the information I may be able to confirm his family as the ones you've found. Thanks again. I really appreciate your work. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 29/10/2016 : 06:49:33
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Per Jane's suspicions earlier (the birthyear of the dead in 1918 John Olsen noted as 1844)the John Olsen who married Emily Wilcox died 4 January 1939 at the age of 81 years. It's reported in the Family Notices section of the Sydney Morning Herald, 5 Jan 1939, pg 8, col1.
"OLSEN--January 4, 1939, at Prince Henry Hospital, John Olsen (late of Grafton) relict of the late Emily Olsen, and loving father of Ernest and Rose (Mrs. W. Watman of Grafton), age 81 years."
In that same issue but page 7, col 8 in the Advertising section:
"OLSEN --The Relatives and Friends of the late JOHN OLSEN (late of Grafton) are invited to attend his Funeral to leave the Salvation Army Citadel, Dulwich Hill. THIS DAY after a service commencing at 2:45 p.m. for the Baptist Portion, Northern Suburbs Cemetery.
WALTERS and SON
LM1678 Dulwich Hill Terminus."
Emily Olsen's obit was reported in the Northern Star
in Lismore, New South Wales on Saturday 24 Jan 1920, pg 4, col 3 in the Personal section:
"By the death of Mrs. John Olsen, which occurred last week, Grafton loses another old identity. Deceased, who was 59 years of age, lived at Alipon Creek with her parents (Mr. and Mrs. Wilcox) during her early life. She leaves one married son (Ernie), who is connected to the Postal Department, and one daughter (Rose), living at home. Mr. Olsen for many years has been an employee of the Grafton Municipal Council, and both he and his late wife were staunch members of the Salvation Army."
And there is this article published in the Clarence and Richmond Examiner at Grafton, New South Wales Thursday 11 Sep 1913, pg 1 titled "Wages Award Board":
"John Olsen, senior maintenance man, at Grafton for nearly 20 years did similar work to the previous witness. During the past four years received 8s 6d per day; gets 14 days holiday and all the public holidays; is married and has two children; occupies a cottage worth 1 2s a week; does not think it practicable for the Council to have separate men for separate trades in the work. The rate of living has increased since the Labour party came into power. His position under the Council is better than that of an ordinary workman."
Not much of which is a help to clarify his Norwegian origins or the nature of the name change from Ole to John, confirm birthplace of Christiana, relationship as a twin, or even a sailing career but does debunk his mother's name as Johanna. There are large numbers of John Olsens covered in Australian newspapers at The Trove among the 297 articles in NSW there were at least 4 deceased John Olsens described as Norwegian, one German and one Swede and even one Belgian.
If the family traditions (about the twin and Oslo origins) are true I think the twins that Jan has found could fill the bill but there needs a lot more leg work to be done in Australia. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/10/2016 : 13:11:06
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Jackie's finds are a game changer. Here is an FAG memorial for John Olsen who died in 1939 in Sydney (and noted in obit as previously from Grafton). He is buried same cemetery in North Ryde suburb as the aforementioned Andrew. link
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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7790 Posts |
Posted - 29/10/2016 : 13:45:02
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| Since the Andrew of interest and John Olsen are buried in the same cemetery, perhaps T.V.F.T.H. the poster of the memorials at FAG can tell us if the two men are physically in the same plot? That could be an invisible thread of connection... |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 29/10/2016 : 14:57:25
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There was another, more full obituary published on John Olsen in the Grafton Daily paper. This obit mentions his age as 89 years, that he was a 50 year resident of Australia, that he was a native of Norway that he attained the rank of Captain in the Salvation Army until his health dictated that he had to change his occupation. No full birthdate was given.
It says that John came to Grafton about 1888 and was made captain in the S.A. there. I wonder if the Salvation Army might have some records of interest to the O.P and this search? |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/10/2016 : 15:14:02
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Good idea.
The brother Anton died as a child in 1862
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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3020 Posts |
Posted - 29/10/2016 : 18:53:27
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BINGO!!!!
Sydney, Australia, Cemetery Headstone Transcriptions
Name: John Olsen
Age: 80
Birth Date: 14 Jan 1858 <-----------------
Death Date: 4 Jan 1939
Burial Place: Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Cemetery: Macquarie Park
Section: A Row: 2
Inscription: b. 14 Jan 1858
Denomination: Baptist
Sydney, Australia, Cemetery Headstone Transcriptions
Name: Andrew Olsen
Age: 70
Birth Date: 14 Jan 1858
Death Date:
11 May 1928
Burial Place: Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Cemetery: Macquarie Park
Section: A Row: 2
Inscription: b. 14 Jan 1858
Denomination: Baptist
Again, the Norwegian church book record for the twins that Jan Peter found and posted:
Born 14 January 1857
Christened 22 February 1857
Residence: Høvigeie
Asker, Akershus, Norway
#51 Andreas Olsen
#52 Ole Olsen
Parents: Ole Aalsen & Henrikke Olsdatter
Twins Birth
Naturalization record below. (Source: State Records Authority of New South Wales; Kingswood, New South Wales, Australia; Series: Registers of Certificates of Naturalization, 1849-1859 and 1876-1903; Series Number: NRS 1040; Roll: 139)
Naturalized: 10 Feb 1902
John Olsen of Grafton
a native of Christiania, Norway [=Oslo]
age 44 years
who is a laborer
and arrived in the state of New South Wales
by the ship Koonoowarra in the year 1885
who has resided in said state for 16 years
swears allegiance etc
Naturalized: 24 Feb 1902
Andrew Olsen of East Orange
a native of Christiania, Norway [=Oslo]
age 44 years
who is a dealer(? I'm not sure what the handwriting says)
and arrived in the state of New South Wales
by the ship Austral in the year 1885
who has resided in said state for 16 years
swears allegiance etc
1903-1904 Australia Electoral Rolls
Orange (sub-district), New South Wales, Orange (district), Australia
Name: Andrew Olsen
Residence Address: William Street, East Orange
Occupation: dealer
1913 Australia Electoral Rolls
East Orange (sub-district), New South Wales, Orange (district), Australia
Name: Andrew Olsen
Residence Address: Edward Street, East Orange
Occupation: dealer
Evelyn Olsen at the same address, occupation: domestic duties
Memorial to Evelyn, died 1963, buried same cemetery as Andrew and John link
Sydney, Australia, Cemetery Headstone Transcriptions
Name: Evelyn Olsen
Age: 90
Birth Date: 12 May 1872
Death Date: 14 Feb 1963
Burial Place: Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Cemetery: Macquarie Park
Section: A Row: 2
Inscription: wife of Andrew. b. 12 May 1872
Denomination: Baptist
Other Olsens at the same cemetery could be checked out. As one example, the Find-a-Grave Memorial # for Gordon Leonard Olsen is close to the # for Evelyn and Andrew (though whether that means this is a family plot is not specified).
link
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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9301 Posts |
Posted - 29/10/2016 : 22:08:34
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Very nice Jane, Perhaps the arrival of Andreas in 1885. No age or birth year given. Listed as a passenger with occupation of labourer
Andreas Olsen
in the Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839-1923
Name: Andreas Olsen
Arrival Date: 25 May 1885
Arrival Port: Adelaide, Melbourne and Sydney, Australia
Departure Port: London
Ship: Austral |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 29/10/2016 : 22:14:44
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That's a great find Jane.
So we have the right twins!
To summarize:
Parents: Ole Aalsen (born ca 1807 - dead between 1856 and 1866) & Henrikke Olsdr (born 18 Feb 1815 - dead 09 Apr 1901)
Children:
1) Laura Olsdatter, born 07 Oct 1845
2) Ingeborg Oline Olsdatter, born 02 Aug 1848
3) Christine Olesdatter, born 07 Jun 1850 (dead between 1901 and 1910)
4) Anton Olsen, born 28 Jun 1854 - dead 03 May 1862
5) Ole Olsen, born 14 Jan 1857 - dead 04 Jan 1939, Sydney, Australia
6) Andreas Olsen, born 14 Jan 1857 - dead 11 May 1928, Sydney. Australia
Christine is married to Bernt Andersen in 1900. I've found 4 children, but can't find either of them in 1910...
Children to Christine & Bernt:
1) Gunda, birth: 21 Mar 1873. (updated)
2) Ole, birth: 01 Sep 1874. (updated)
3) Harald Rudolf Andersen, birth: 16 Sep 1877, chr: 03 Mar 1878, Østre Bærum, Akershus, Norway
4) Anton Andersen, birth: 02 Apr 1880, chr: 15 Aug 1880, Østre Bærum, Akershus, Norway
5) Teodor Andersen, birth: 09 Mar 1882, chr: 16 Apr 1882, Østre Bærum, Akershus, Norway. Death: 1882
6) Olga Emilie Andersen, birth: 14 Oct 1884, chr: 08 Feb 1885, Østre Bærum, Akershus, Norway.
Widower Bernt in census-1910 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 30/10/2016 : 00:01:19
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The 1975 census says Ole and his mother was living at Larvevollen under Høvig.
This is a misspelling, Larvevollen is acually Sarbuvollen. (cottagers place under nordre Høvig, just 15 min from where I live).
Where the family was living in 1965 and earlier was not at Sarbuvollen according to the bygdebok.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 30/10/2016 : 00:52:50
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Woohoo!
Another great communal effort at norwayheritage! If Jan hadn't found the right set of twins to start with we wouldn't have had a beginning. Jane made an extremely inspired effort in the Australian records only to bring it on home. Good on you both! |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 30/10/2016 : 01:30:12
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I know, right? That was a fun group effort by everyone! The obit was crucial. Jan Peter, sorry I misspoke about the brilliant find of Ole and Andreas in Asker. The round-up of the family is really helpful.
Here's a daughter Laura for Ole Aalsen and Henrikke Olsdatter, born 1845: link
Laura married Johan Gustav Johansen in 1871: link
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 30/10/2016 : 01:50:46
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He intended to go Andreas # 1 on left page under 1885:
SAO, Asker prestekontor Kirkebøker, F/Fb/L0002: Ministerialbok nr. II 2, 1879-1921, s. 172
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061002010361
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kayryan
Starting member
Australia
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Posted - 30/10/2016 : 01:55:31
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| Whoohoo indeed! You really are an amazing group of people. My sister Jane and I are thrilled with all this detailed information that you have found. We had tried for months to dig up anything that linked us to the right Ole Olsen. We had limited information from our Mother and Aunt(both now deceased) We have 3 photos of Ole and only one with Andrew. Writing on the back of a portrait of Ole said Captain John Olsen Liverpool June 1890.( Is wearing his Salvation Army Uniform). Not a lot to go on about his past. Clearly a lot of Norwegian sailors jumped ship when they landed in Australia by my own searches, & I knew searching for Ole Olsen was like searching for John Smith. Without your breakthrough in finding the correct twins( a fact I would not have even known how to obtain) we would still be in the dark about this mysterious Great Grandfather. I actually have always had the portrait of Ole on display, as it's such a well preserved and interesting link to my past. I really can't thank you all enough for your speedy work in unlocking this puzzle. I've been letting my sister know of your efforts and she has now applied to join your site too. We are both excited and I can't stop smiling. Thank you, Thankyou |
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Seeking Information on GG Father Ole Olsen
