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Marty Chilberg
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 Posted - 12/12/2016 : 15:26:10
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Unfortunately the Herman Moe birthdate conflicts with the 8 Apr 1875 I have found on a dozen other docs including Minn death index, Wisc Birth index, WW2 reg card. There are a lot of Moes in this area and more than a couple Herman Moes. Hard to see whether this is an error on the record or a different person.
I reviewed the Helga Olide earlier and believe it is our Helga. Alita was the US derivative of Olide and has show up in my mom's line. Thank you for the translation for witness/godparent. I did not know who A.Wold etc were. Since brothers are frequently godparents, I wonder about the Hans and Syverine Hanson. Hanson is the name used in bible family tree so could be a brother of wife Anna Simenson.
Still reviewing the Adolph info. I was unaware he and Magdalin were twins (no confirmed birthdate for her). Found that they were both listed as 6 months old on the 1880 Census so clearly were fraternal twins. Thank you!
Another confirmation of Simonson. Once I had the date of birth for Magdalin I found the SSN application which references Simonson and indicates she must have married to a Hellum |
Edited by - Marty Chilberg on 12/12/2016 16:46:11 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 12/12/2016 : 17:34:48
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Originally posted by Marty Chilberg
Unfortunately the Herman Moe birthdate conflicts with the 8 Apr 1875 I have found on a dozen other docs including Minn death index, Wisc Birth index, WW2 reg card. There are a lot of Moes in this area and more than a couple Herman Moes. Hard to see whether this is an error on the record or a different person.
...I did not know who A.Wold etc were. Since brothers are frequently godparents, I wonder about the Hans and Syverine Hanson. Hanson is the name used in bible family tree so could be a brother of wife Anna Simenson.
As long as you have access to the ELCA database through Ancestry, let your fingers do the walking back from Helga's baptism in those church records.
I find this to be a very compelling circumstantial evidence, the gradual change of his name.
Hans Magnussen (Herman's bapt 1875)
to Hans Magnussen Mo (Adolph's and Magda's baptism 1879)
to Hans M. Moe (Helga's baptism in 1885)
Hans Syverson, the husband of Syverine Simensdatter also had a similar transformation:
Hans Syverson
Hans S Hanson
Found in that same church register is this: Hans' and Syverine's daughter Grete who was born 9 (19)Jan 1884 and baptized 6 Apr 1884 parents : Hans S. Hanson and Syv_____
godparents: Hans Mo and Anna; Even S. Hanson, Polla Simenson
Despite your opening gambit, I find no instance in which Anne's patronymic is rendered as Hanson / Hansdatter in the ELCA records. What there is, is a dark shadow down the tight binding of the original book which obscured details. You need to get to the original book and move the page to look into the binding edge.
The son Martin's baptism is also recorded in the book:
b. 3 Nov 1872, bapt 8 Dec 1872 entry #10 parents: Hans Magnussen and hustru (housewife)
And there is a Polla Simensdatter in the proposed Anne / Syverine family baptism here transcribed:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NWBC-SV3
Here she is getting married in Lacrosse county Wisconsin. Parents named Simon Erickson and Augette :
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XRGK-GJF
Polla coming to US actually Lacrosse in 1881:
https://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/gen/vis/8/pe00000000445541
Since Anne dies in 1915 there should be some kind of death notice in the newspaper. Have you looked for an obituary for her?
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Marty Chilberg
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Posted - 12/12/2016 : 18:07:54
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"This record from Ancestry.com fits fairly well with the Anton Davidson you have posted as well as with the Anton Davidson from Nordland shown above.
Enkemand Anton Davidsen
in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, Records, 1875-1940
Name: Enkemand Anton Davidsen"
The given name Enkemand? The baptism record above shows the name as Anton Jakobus Davidsen. Is there something in Norwegian naming that would make sense of this difference?
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Marty Chilberg
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Posted - 12/12/2016 : 18:12:50
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"I find this to be a very compelling circumstantial evidence, the gradual change of his name.
Hans Magnussen (Herman's bapt 1875)
to Hans Magnussen Mo (Adolph's and Magda's baptism 1879)
to Hans M. Moe (Helga's baptism in 1885)"
This is really starting to make sense. I suspect the name Mo and Moe came from their homestead in Moen. Was this common in Norway. I've found similar naming decisions in Sweden in the 1800's.
thank you so much for all your help! |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 12/12/2016 : 18:54:44
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Enkemand means widower or male who has lost his spouse by death.
Someone one time said moen means a sandy low patch next to water. It could also be interpreted as "the Mo" since articles like "en" go at the end of words in Norwegian.
On NorwayHeritage there is a database of migrants from Norway to North America. Here is a possible Anton Davidsen #80, wife's name probably not legible:
http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_list.asp?jo=1266&ps=54892
#7 in Inflyttedes Anthon Davidsen from Mø moving into Rødoy:
SAT, Ministerialprotokoller, klokkerbøker og fødselsregistre - Nordland, 841/L0607: Ministerialbok nr. 841A11 /1, 1863-1877, s. 239
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070215640525
So Anton Davidson was an enkeman when he married Randi? Here is a marriage in Norway which looks like it could be Anton's Anton:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NWHR-L8J
And they left in 1869 #1 & 2 in utflyttede (right hand column) for America:
SAT, Ministerialprotokoller, klokkerbøker og fødselsregistre - Nordland, Hemnes 825/L0360: Ministerialbok nr. 825A14, 1860-1886
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050428010606
Please note Anton Jakobus Davidsen's birth date is recorded in the utflyttedes as 28 April 1843.
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jkmarler
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Marty Chilberg
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Posted - 12/12/2016 : 20:56:26
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I thought the Moe or Moen reference was to Farm name? I've found several references to farm naming such as:
The farm names Mo, Moe and Moen are all variations of the same meaning "meadow or flat area." They are related to the word Moar which has the meaning "sand or grass lowland." There were over 300 farms with the name Mo, Moe and Moen in Norway
This 1865 census indicates Moe Præstegjel but I'm unclear what that means. There is an Anton Davidsen there but that could be a coincidence.
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1865&knr=1836&kenr=001&bnr=0025&lnr=000
Also now that I know that Anton was previously widowed before 1873 marriage to Randi it helps explain how Josephine could have been born in 1870 per census data. If she was born in 1870 and Anton arrived in US in both 1867 and 1870 it's possible she was born on board or traveled with him though the census states she was born in Wisconsin. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 12/12/2016 : 21:01:28
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It's no coincidence. In in inmigrating record in Rødoy which link is posted above he came from Mo. The leaving Hemnes parish record records his birthdate as 28 April 1843.
Here is Archives.com transcription of the 1870 census in Wisconsin:
Josephine Davidson
1870 Census Record
Gender:
Female
Race:
White
Age at Time of Census:
5 This is not correct it is a fractional like 5or 6 /12
Est. Birth Year:1870
Birth Location: Wisconsin
Residence: Tomah, Monroe,
Members in Household
Anton Davidson
36 yrs, Male
Hannah Davidson
25 yrs, Female
The error comes in when her birthdate is recorded as 19 Dec 1868 in both her confirmation and marriage record. Her birth place is recorded as Tomah, Wisconsin in both places as well and her mother as Randine. So some things are right but the actual year of birth is incorrect and mother's name. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 12/12/2016 21:22:29 |
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Marty Chilberg
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Posted - 12/12/2016 : 21:01:47
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"So Anton Davidson was an enkeman when he married Randi? Here is a marriage in Norway which looks like it could be Anton's Anton:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NWHR-L8J "
Possible first wife and mother of Josephine given dates thank you for the clue!
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AntonH
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AntonH
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Posted - 12/12/2016 : 23:08:18
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Went back to page one and saw that Jackie had posted most of this information there. I agree that it is this Anne Simonsdatter that is likely the wife of Hans.
Here is a Anne Simonsdatter, child of Simon Eriksen and Agnethe Larsdatter. Same parents as for Polla. Could the birth year be off for the Anne married to Hans.
Anne Simonsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Anne Simonsen
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 30 sep 1843
Baptism Date: 19 nov 1843
Baptism Place: , Nes, Hedmark, Norway
Father: Simon Eriksen
Mother: Agnethe Larsdr
FHL Film Number: 124298
See number 33 original record
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20070513050179
In the 1865 Census, I think that Simon was deceased and Anne was out on here own. Here is most of the family.
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1865&knr=0411&kenr=002&bnr=0027&lnr=000 |
Edited by - AntonH on 12/12/2016 23:31:31 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 12/12/2016 : 23:42:09
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Here is another record in which Anne is given the last name of Simonson.
Anna Simonson
in the U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007
Name: Anna Simonson
Gender: Female
Spouse: Hans Moe
Child: Adolph Moe
Spelled Anne Simonson for similar application for Herman Moe.
And again Anna Simonson for Margaret Moe Hellum |
Edited by - AntonH on 12/12/2016 23:51:54 |
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Marty Chilberg
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Posted - 12/12/2016 : 23:44:22
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| Yes it all seems to fit together nicely. I noted that Polly was not shown on the census in 1865. Would it be common for her to be working on a nearby farm and not counted here? |
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AntonH
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AntonH
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Posted - 13/12/2016 : 00:08:34
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I suspect that this is the marriage for Simon Eriksen and Agnethe Larsdatter. This gives you the parents of the two.
Agnethe Larsdr
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Agnethe Larsdr
[Agnethe Andersen]
Gender: Female
Age: 19
Birth Date: 1811
Marriage Date: 19 nov 1830
Marriage Place: , Nes, Hedmark, Norway
Father: Lars Andersen
Spouse: Simon Erichsen
FHL Film Number: 124298
Father for Simon born in 1806 is
Erich Haagensen
Original record see number 16
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20070513050254
This is likely Erich father of Simon Eriksen in the 1801 Census. Also shows his wife Mette Marcusdatter.
https://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01058233001073
Likely the baptism record for Simon in 1806
Simen Eriksen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Simen Eriksen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 20 apr 1806
Baptism Place: , Nes, Hedmark, Norway
Father: Erich Haagenseh
Mother: Maethe Marcusdr
FHL Film Number: 124296
Original baptism record, see last entry right hand page
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20070513030253 |
Edited by - AntonH on 13/12/2016 00:36:27 |
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