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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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 Posted - 13/12/2016 : 00:46:42
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You can keep going back in time and ancestors using Ancestry.com to search out the marriages and the birth dates and then look at the original record in Digitalarkvet. You should be able to get back to at least the mid 1700's this way. To go further back you will need to learn how to use the resource called Bygdebøker. These are Farm Histories and are of course in Norwegian but using them should enable you to get back to about 1600. The number of people expands quite rapidly when you start doing this but you can fill in your ancestors quite nicely.
Here is some information on Agnette Larsdatter born in 1811.
Agnethe Larsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Agnethe Larsen
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 1 mar 1811
Baptism Date: 10 mar 1811
Baptism Place: , Nes, Hedmark, Norway
Father: Lars Andersen
Mother: Anne Pedersdr
FHL Film Number: 124296
Original record see number 18 right hand page
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20070513030280
Based on the marriage record I would assume that this is the couple in the 1801 Norwegian Census.
https://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01058233002814 |
Edited by - AntonH on 13/12/2016 00:55:08 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 13/12/2016 : 04:44:22
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Originally posted by Marty Chilberg
Yes it all seems to fit together nicely. I noted that Polly was not shown on the census in 1865. Would it be common for her to be working on a nearby farm and not counted here?
Often about the age of confirmation 15 or so or just after confirmation they leave to begin their working life. This is also why Anne isn't found with the family. I'm not sure where she is, she may not even be in Nes but may be the Anne Simensdatter b about 1844 living in Brønø in Nordland--although she doesn't appear in the inmigrating records of Brønø. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 13/12/2016 : 04:58:06
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Originally posted by Marty Chilberg
I thought the Moe or Moen reference was to Farm name? I've found several references to farm naming such as:
The farm names Mo, Moe and Moen are all variations of the same meaning "meadow or flat area." They are related to the word Moar which has the meaning "sand or grass lowland." There were over 300 farms with the name Mo, Moe and Moen in Norway
This 1865 census indicates Moe Præstegjel but I'm unclear what that means.
Each farm in Norway is named.
The "classic" Norwegian name consists of three things the first or given name, the patronymic name the name based on your father's given with the addition of sen / son or datter to it depending on your sex, and third the farm name essentially an address. If you moved from one farm to another you dropped the name of the farm you left and picked up the name of the farm you moved to. This system was practiced by a lot of Norwegians until 1923 when a law was passed making each person pick a surname which could be inherited mostly from your father. There were people who inherited surnames before 1923 in Norway mostly poohbahs or upper crust folks or city dwellers so in spite of the law there was already underway a gradual transformation from the old naming practice to the new. Norwegians were faced with the issue immediately upon arrival in US since we were long inheritors of our father's surnames. Each person or family found ways and means to adapt their names to suit their place in Yankeedom.
I notice that Anton Davidson's and Randi's first child is named Hanna the same first name as Anton's first wife. This sometimes happens in the case of second marriages as a sign of respect. But not always.
Prestegjeld is a larger administrative religious division than just the local sokn or parish. |
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Marty Chilberg
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Posted - 13/12/2016 : 06:33:02
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Both of you have been absolutely amazing. So generous of your time and effort. I can't thank you enough! I've made it into the 1700's in Sweden but have much to do in both Mecklenburg and on my wife's side in Italy as well. Will be fun to see how far we can go before we try a DNA test .
much thanks again
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 13/12/2016 : 22:48:45
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Following the Erich Haagensen family back in time. Erich Haagensen was baptized 21 August 1774. Close to the 1773 year given in the 1801 Census. His father was Haagen Ericksen and mother was Siri Andersdatter. His baptism is on right hand page third entry from the top. His baptism is dated Dom 12 p Trinitatis. You can use a Dansk Calendar to determine the exact date that corresponds to Dom 12 p Trinitatis.
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20070513030050
Based on the names of the parents in the baptism record, this is likely them in the 1801 Census
https://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01058233001178 |
Edited by - AntonH on 13/12/2016 22:53:20 |
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Marty Chilberg
Starting member
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Posted - 14/12/2016 : 01:13:43
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Excellent. Curious about the following notation:
009 02 Haagen Erichsen 66 Mand 1ste g. gift Huusmand med jord
010 02 Siri Andersdatter 56 Hans kone 1ste g. gift
Am I correct that this means the farm is the possession of Siri (likely inheritance) and that Haagen is noted as able to work it but not own?
If so does that suggest she was born there and Haagen is likely not a first son and had to leave his fathers (Erich's) farm? |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 14/12/2016 : 01:32:42
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I don't think you can draw that conclusion from the entry.
Haagen is a husmand with land which means he's a cotter with a spot of soil so that his own crops can be grown, etc. He does not own the land but works for the owner.
Haagen is the male head of household who is in his first marriage. Siri is his wife and she also is in her first marriage.
Haagen may or may not be the eldest in his birth family. If his parents were husfolk also there wouldn't be anything to inherit. There is nothing in the entry to suggest that Siri owns the property or even that she was born there, though she may have been. By looking at the parish registers you might find the farm mentioned in other entries. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 14/12/2016 : 01:44:04
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Agree with Jackie. A husmann is usually one who leases a small plot of land upon which he may build a small house for he and his family. He usually pays the owner of the land in services rendered not money. For example my great great grandfather leased a small plot of land from the owner of a larger bit of land. He built a very small house. He paid off the yearly lease on his sub farm by cutting hay on the main farm for the owner of the main farm. In his case he was the only sub farm but in many cases there could be several people leasing on a yearly basis these small sub farms.
One of the driving forces that caused many Norwegian emigrants to come to America was the opportunity to own a piece of land, which had become nearly impossible to do in Norway.
You may find it interesting to see where this particular farm is located . Go to this map site, enter Ødemyhr in the White Box and click the search button.
https://kart.1881.no |
Edited by - AntonH on 14/12/2016 01:56:45 |
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Family in La Cross, Wisc from Norway
