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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 26/12/2016 : 01:18:30
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The "old" emigrantsprotokol had a smallish database covering Maselv and Bardu departures but it doesnot appear in the "new" emigrantsprotokol, wonder why?
Is #33 Arentine's father?
SATØ, Tromsø sokneprestkontor/stiftsprosti/domprosti, G/Ga/L0007kirke: Ministerialbok nr. 7, 1821-1828, s. 58-59
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070606650452
Do you know if he had any siblings or even half-siblings who went to America?
Is #30 Arentine's mother? Did she have any siblings who went to America?
SATØ, Tromsø sokneprestkontor/stiftsprosti/domprosti, G/Ga/L0007kirke: Ministerialbok nr. 7, 1821-1828, s. 119-120
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070606650483
Ane Lovise siblings, at least these:
Name
Hans Pauli Olsen
Gender
Male
Birth Date
09 Nov 1821
Christening Date
25 Nov 1821
Christening Place
, TROMSO, TROMS, NORWAY
Father's Name
Ole Sivertsen
Mother's Name
Anne Lise Salomonsdr
Citing this Record
"Norway Baptisms, 1634-1927," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N4S4-LBJ
Name
Wilhelm Olsen
Gender
Male
Birth Date
Oct 1811
Christening Date
20 Oct 1811
Christening Place
, TROMSO, TROMS, NORWAY
Father's Name
Ole Sivertsen
Mother's Name
Anne Elisabeth Salomonsdr
Citing this Record
"Norway Baptisms, 1634-1927," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N4SQ-PHJ
Name
Helena Olsen
Gender
Female
Birth Date
Apr 1814
Christening Date
24 Apr 1814
Christening Place
, TROMSO, TROMS, NORWAY
Father's Name
Ole Siversen
Mother's Name
Anne Elisabeth Salomonsdr
Citing this Record
"Norway Baptisms, 1634-1927," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N4SQ-5ZN
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Edited by - jkmarler on 26/12/2016 01:51:31 |
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ToreHansen
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Posted - 26/12/2016 : 07:13:53
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Nr. 33 is Arentine`s father, and nr.30 is her mother.
I have not found siblings or half-siblings that I can be reasonably sure it is, who has traveled to America yet.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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ToreHansen
Starting member
Norway
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Posted - 26/12/2016 : 09:59:21
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| Have you the link to Atentine in US 1870 Census? |
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ToreHansen
Starting member
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Posted - 26/12/2016 : 10:35:21
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Originally posted by ToreHansen
Have you the link to Atentine in US 1870 Census?
Sorry i misunderstood you:-).
I will check it out. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 26/12/2016 : 14:17:53
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As I read it, Jackie is tracking: Where did other people in Arentine's travel group go? Julius Torbersen age 21 (born ca 1843) was a fellow traveler. The man in Chicago in 1870 seemingly could be the same Julius as the traveler (albeit based on incomplete evidence). A Find-a-Grave memorial for the daughter Celia born in Illinois 1868 says she married "a first cousin." It lists Celia's father as Julius Torbersen.. Her spouse's mother is named as Aminde Sofie Torbersen Berg, suggesting Julius and Aminde may be siblings. Aminde seems to be living in Hammerfest in 1865, listed as born in Tromsøe.
FAG
link
1865 census
Martin Hauan b 1835 and Aminde Sofie b 1840
link
If Julius in Chicago is the same Julius as the traveler, this makes a chance that Arentine went to Chicago as well.
Illinois Cyberdrive Genealogy:
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Edited by - JaneC on 26/12/2016 14:44:19 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 26/12/2016 : 16:16:07
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Thanks Jane for explaining. I'm sure that most of the NorwayHeritage responders have already looked in the major search engines and not found a woman named Arentine Hansen / Hansdatter b about 1846 and or not found good candidates. At least, I know I didn't, so that is why the move to search for other names that might be significant.
The 1870 census is the first, best source to look at, it is a nationwide resource occurring 6 years after she left. But the 1870 census has its problems. Look at the dreadful rendering of Julius Torberson's name in both the transcription and somewhat less dreadful in the actual schedule. Julius was chosen simply because his name was distinctive, not because there is an actual connection to Arentine, but perhaps she made the same decision where to go as he did. Of course, she may have done something entirely different.
Arentine Olafine is also very distinctive name. So far, I haven't found many carrying Arentine and there are a few named Olafine/ Olufine. Its possible that the name Arentine was transcribed as something entirely different or maybe Arentine adopted a first name entirely different say Anna or adapted Arentine to something else like Tina, etc. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 26/12/2016 : 16:49:58
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#82 Arentine Olafine
SATØ, Tromsø sokneprestkontor/stiftsprosti/domprosti, G/Ga/L0009kirke: Ministerialbok nr. 9, 1837-1847, s. 85
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050309012940
These are the faddernes: Elias Olsen, C Hansdtr, C Hansen, B Hansdtr, Mine Pedersdtr and she was home baptized by Hanne Olsdtr.
Are Elias and Hanne related to Ane Lovise? |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 26/12/2016 : 17:11:35
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Good thinking Jackie. The ELCA base would be a good place to search if we can find a hint on where Arentine Olafine went to in America. The ELCA data base has a lot of records on Julius Tobersen. For example he married his wife Petra Olsen and in one record for Illinois, Deaths and Stillbirths Index, 1916-1947 for daughter Emma they are both recorded as being from Trumpson, Norway, I assume an americanized Tromso.
One record for example
Name: Theodor Andreas Torbersen
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 6 Jan 1867
Baptism Date: 24 Mar 1867
Baptism Place: Chicago, Illinois
Father: Julius Torbersen
Mother: Petra
Church Name: Our Saviour's Lutheran Church
Church Location: Chicago, Illinois |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 26/12/2016 : 17:21:43
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Okay, here's an Arntine Hanson listed in the death / funeral records of a church found in ELCA funeral database at Archives.com:
Arntine Hansen Death Record
Church Bethany Lutheran
Church Location Gardner, ILMap
Event Type deaths
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, Death and Burial Records
1850-1940
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
But there are absolutely no details of any kind her name is merely on a list. The year at the top is 1865 and reads almost like a membership roll with the names listed family by family with the dod information added or moved away, or left the congregation. The first entries 288 or so are numbered but Arntine Hanson is on the part of the list without numbers. So I'd interpret this as an Arntine Hanson joined the congregation in 1865 and has since died. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 26/12/2016 17:57:48 |
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ToreHansen
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Posted - 26/12/2016 : 17:22:22
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Oldest sister of Arentines mother is christening Hanne Olsdatter and born jul 9 1809. So it could be here.
There are no siblings named Elias that i know. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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9301 Posts |
Posted - 26/12/2016 : 17:51:17
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This may be the same Arntine Hansen that Jackie found. Died in 1918. Same Church as Julius Tobersen. The original document is dated 1865 and looks like a list of members with various comments behind their name. Behind Arntine Hansen is the word dad. The list usually has a mans name followed by a woman name. However for Arntine not so. The name before her is Emelia Blangusd. ? followed by two other ladies names.
Arntine Hansen
in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, Records, 1875-1940
Name: Arntine Hansen
Event Type: Death
Death Date: 1918
Church Name: Our Saviour's Lutheran Church
Church Location: Chicago, Illinois |
Edited by - AntonH on 26/12/2016 18:06:57 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 26/12/2016 : 18:16:59
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Julius Tobersen is found in the same book as Arntine Hansen. Arntine is on page 340 and Julius is on the last page 346.
ulius Torbersen
in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, Records, 1875-1940
Name: Julius Torbersen
Event Type: Death
Death Date: 1918
Church Name: Our Saviour's Lutheran Church
Church Location: Chicago, Illinois
I am a little suspicious that they both died the same year? I wonder if I am missing something with the record date.
According to this family tree Julius died in 1909.
Julius John Torberson
1844–1909
BIRTH 19 MAY 1844 • Tromsø, Troms, Norway
DEATH 12 MAR 1909 • Chicago, Cook, Illinois, United States
And the record also
Julius Torberson
in the Cook County, Illinois, Deaths Index, 1878-1922
Name: Julius Torberson
Birth Date: abt 1848
Birth Place: Norway
Death Date: 12 Mar 1909
Death Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Burial Date: 14 Mar 1909
Burial Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Cemetery Name: Mt Olive
Death Age: 61
Occupation: Builder
Race: White
Marital Status: Widowed
Gender: Male
Residence: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Father Birth Place: Norway
Mother Birth Place: Norway
FHL Film Number: 1239830 |
Edited by - AntonH on 26/12/2016 18:21:40 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 26/12/2016 : 18:23:39
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Originally posted by lyndal40
This may be the same Arntine Hansen that Jackie found. Died in 1918. Same Church as Julius Tobersen. The original document is dated 1865 and looks like a list of members with various comments behind their name. Behind Arntine Hansen is the word dad. The list usually has a mans name followed by a woman name. However for Arntine not so. The name before her is Emelia Blangusd. ? followed by two other ladies names.
Arntine Hansen
in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, Records, 1875-1940
Name: Arntine Hansen
Event Type: Death
Death Date: 1918
Church Name: Our Saviour's Lutheran Church
Church Location: Chicago, Illinois
Sounds like its the same list but there is no 1918 date on the page at all. The name above Arntine is Emelia Blamquist, below is jomfru Ingeborg Kristine Haarstad and she is also marked as død.
Pige Emelia Blomquist married uk Henry Olsen on 7 Jan 1866 in Our Savior's.
The variation in the church name is one of the problems with the ELCA stuff, particularly with the Archives rendition. Having looked at many actual (but not these) films, there are usually paper markers at the first page of baptisms telling which congregation the records following belong to. Often congregations get absorbed and the records are not always marked when the records are from one or another.
At Archives.com Julius Torberson is on page 346 and has the notation gift man but nothing else. It does not say he is dead or out of the congregation at all.
The faddernes for some of Julius' children are:
Cecelie Sophie : Mad. Bjørvig, Schalotte Skested
Betsy Constance: Joh. Bjørvig, Dera Vernæs, Franz Vernæs /Visnæs, Anna Anderson, Finer / Tiner Hector |
Edited by - jkmarler on 27/12/2016 05:59:38 |
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ToreHansen
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Posted - 26/12/2016 : 18:43:06
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Julius Tobersen is found in the same book as Arntine Hansen. Arntine is on page 340 and Julius is on the last page 346.
ulius Torbersen
in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, Records, 1875-1940
Name: Julius Torbersen
Event Type: Death
Death Date: 1918
Church Name: Our Saviour's Lutheran Church
Church Location: Chicago, Illinois
I am a little suspicious that they both died the same year? I wonder if I am missing something with the record date.
According to this family tree Julius died in 1909.
Julius John Torberson
1844–1909
BIRTH 19 MAY 1844 • Tromsø, Troms, Norway
DEATH 12 MAR 1909 • Chicago, Cook, Illinois, United States
And the record also
Julius Torberson
in the Cook County, Illinois, Deaths Index, 1878-1922
Name: Julius Torberson
Birth Date: abt 1848
Birth Place: Norway
Death Date: 12 Mar 1909
Death Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Burial Date: 14 Mar 1909
Burial Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Cemetery Name: Mt Olive
Death Age: 61
Occupation: Builder
Race: White
Marital Status: Widowed
Gender: Male
Residence: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Father Birth Place: Norway
Mother Birth Place: Norway
FHL Film Number: 1239830
Julius Tobissen is born aug 8 1843 in Tromsø. Christening may 19 1844. Son of Tobis Torbersen and Cicelia Sørensdatter. |
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Arentine Olufine Hansdatter
