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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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jkmarler
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 27/12/2016 : 22:11:52
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And another:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N742-K4S
Probably this family in the 1900 Census. Arthur is born Mar 1894 and Olafine has become Marie and her birth year is off.
Marie Thompson
in the 1900 United States Federal Census
Name: Marie Thompson
Age: 39
Birth Date: Mar 1861
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1900: Chicago Ward 16, Cook, Illinois
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1890
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Teador Thompson
Marriage Year: 1899
Years Married: 1
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Mother: number of living children: 2
Mother: How many children: 2
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Teador Thompson 46
Marie Thompson 39
Jonnes Thompson 13
Hans Thompson 11
Bertha Thompson 9
Arthur Thompson 6
Alma Thompson 5
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 27/12/2016 : 23:08:20
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And another long shot:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2MH-7CDR
I noticed that Christian Rieker was born in Norway. This could be the marriage of his parents.
Oluffine Christine Hanssen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Oluffine Christine Hanssen
Gender: Female
Age: 26
Birth Date: 19 sep 1851
Marriage Date: 14 mai 1878 (14 May 1878)
Marriage Place: Domkirken, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Father: Carl Johan Hanssen
Spouse: Friedrich Rieker
FHL Film Number: 255752
Reference ID: 2:R9RDGT
If so this is not likely the lady we are looking for. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 27/12/2016 : 23:31:22
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Here is a long shot for Arntine in the 1870 census, named Olufina:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M676-JFJ
Hans M Hanson and Olufina Brueland were married in Our Savior's on 4 Apr 1867.
I notice his occupation in 1870 is Sailor. Might fit this Hans M Hanson. in 1875.
Hans M Hanson
in the U.S. City Directories, 1822-1995
Name: Hans M Hanson
Residence Year: 1875
Street address: 702 N Hoyne av
Residence Place: Chicago, Illinois, USA
Occupation: Sailor
Publication Title: Chicago, Illinois, City Directory, 1875
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Name: Hans M Hanson
Residence Year: 1887
Street address: 602 N Ashland av
Residence Place: Chicago, Illinois, USA
Occupation: Sailor
Publication Title: Chicago, Illinois, City Directory, 1887
Might be him in 1900 , can not tell if the occupation is sailor or tailor
Hans Hansen
in the 1900 United States Federal Census
Name: Hans Hansen
Age: 55
Birth Date: Jan 1845
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1900: Chicago Ward 14, Cook, Illinois
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1875
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Widowed
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Mother: number of living children: 0
Mother: How many children: 0
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Hans Hansen 55 |
Edited by - AntonH on 27/12/2016 23:46:02 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 27/12/2016 : 23:47:17
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Hi. I really haven't worked on this. (Did check 1900 census and a little additional searching.) As a reader, that ELCA record looks pretty murky. A fabulous find - but how to interpret it? Without having seen it, one gets the impression that's a day register of persons in the congregation in 1865. The database slots in the ELCA records frequently mislabel the specific congregation, as Jackie mentioned. Is it possible that "1918 Death Record" is a misleading label as well? What is reported here directly from the church book doesn't appear to be a death record. The fact that an Ancestry transcription picks up an ELCA misnomer (possible misnomer) of the label "1918 death record" doesn't change what the church book showed.
Note that Julius Tobersen also appears in the list of "1918 deaths" and he died in 1909.
In other words, we either believe Ancestry or our own lying eyes.
Guess I'm asking what happens if the ELCA/Ancestry transcription label is removed and the remaining evidence in the primary source is weighed - the notation in the church book. Arntine may have died any time after 1865 rather than living in Chicago 1870, 1880, 1900, and 1910 yet mysteriously unfindable.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 27/12/2016 : 23:48:22
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Maybe another long shot to work on.
Olefine Nicholson
in the 1870 United States Federal Censu
Name: Olefine Nicholson
Age in 1870: 24
Birth Year: abt 1846
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1870: Chicago Ward 15, Cook, Illinois
Race: White
Gender: Female
Post Office: Chicago
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Thos Nicholson 32
Olefine Nicholson 24
Martha Thompson 57
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/12/2016 : 01:02:58
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Looks like Anton posted while I was typing.
The list of "1918 deaths" includes Emelia Blomquist who married Henry Olsen in 1866, per Jackie's find. This couple was from Tromso.
1877 birth
link
1879 birth
link
These are delayed registrations of birth. Could some deaths in the parish be delayed registration of death with the county? Puzzling. |
Edited by - JaneC on 28/12/2016 01:09:11 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/12/2016 : 01:18:12
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Probably the baptism of Amelia
Emelie Marie Hariette Blomquist
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Emelie Marie Hariette Blomquist
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 7 jan 1846
Baptism Date: 22 mar 1846
Baptism Place: , Tromso, Troms, Norway
Father: Blomquist
Mother: Caroline Norrager
FHL Film Number: 307181
Certainly were a lot of Tromsø folks attending the Our Saviour's Lutheran Church in Chicago.
Birth of a son
Henry Emil Olsen
in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, Records, 1875-1940
Name: Henry Emil Olsen
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 4 Jul 1868
Baptism Date: 6 Sep 1868
Baptism Place: Gardner, Illinois
Father: Hemmin Olsen
Mother: Emelia
Church Name: Our Saviour's Lutheran Church
Church Location: Chicago, Illinois |
Edited by - AntonH on 28/12/2016 01:22:26 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/12/2016 : 01:26:46
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Emelia in 1900 census, listed born January 1846 in Norway, immigrated 1864, married 1866
link
I'm curious when she died and if the "1918" discrepancy occurs. |
Edited by - JaneC on 28/12/2016 01:28:26 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/12/2016 : 01:26:50
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Here is a Family Tree on Ancestry.com, parents look right Death doesn't look like 1918?
Emelie Marie Hariette Blomquist
1846–1924
BIRTH 07 JAN 1846 • Tromsø, Troms, Norway
DEATH 17 NOV 1924 • Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA
Emelie H Olsen
in the Cook County, Illinois Death Index, 1908-1988
Name: Emelie H Olsen
Death Date: 17 Nov 1924
Death Location: Cook County, IL
File Number: 6028612
Archive Collection Name: Cook County Genealogy Records (Deaths)
Archive repository location: Chicago, IL
Archive repository name: Cook County Clerk
Married in 1866
Emelia Blomquist
in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, Records, 1875-1940
Name: Emelia Blomquist
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 7 Jan 1866
Marriage Place: Chicago, Illinois
Spouse: Henry Olsen
Church Name: Our Saviour's Lutheran Church
Church Location: Chicago, Illinois |
Edited by - AntonH on 28/12/2016 01:33:21 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/12/2016 : 01:33:20
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| So why does the label "1918 death" get applied to Arntine? That 1865 list of living people seemingly does not connect to any specific death year. Some transcriber maybe goofed somehow. I'm sorry I can't search the church death records directly, and I know it's beastly to find things in those books, as they are not well organized / indexed. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/12/2016 : 01:35:23
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I know it's beastly to find things in those books, as they are not well organized / indexed.
You are certainly right. The book that I find on Ancestry seems to be 984 pages long and consists of many sections with little organization that I can see. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/12/2016 : 01:37:09
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Arghhhh
And God bless Norway for its impeccably digitized and indexed church books.
One could try to understand where parish members where buried 1865 onward. I think Mt. Olive was founded a little later. I'll check.If the cemetery can bs identified, it may have a record of burial for Arntine.
Of course as you guys have talked about, there could be many reasons why Arntine can't be found. She could be using a nickname unknown to us, for example. Maybe she moved away - but then how comes it that the Chicago parish notes her death? To die in 1918, she has to stay under the radar a long long time. No marriage found, no births, no death. I checked Chicago City Directory on a non-Ancestry site ...
Just saying at least one explanation is she died early on, maybe even before 1870. |
Edited by - JaneC on 28/12/2016 01:44:26 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/12/2016 : 01:43:19
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This is an interesting comment from the Family Tree for Emelie Blomquist.
Took passage on sailship Norge for Quebec, Canada, 06 June 1864
Likely to be the same ship that Arentine Olufine Hansdatter travelled on to America.
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