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audreylosey
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 Posted - 29/12/2016 : 01:30:30
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I am trying to locate the origin of Hans Kittelson and Gunhild Torstenson.
The information I have so far is from their obituaries but the names of the towns seems to be incorrect as I cannot locate them on google maps.
Hans Kittelson DOB Sept. 2, 1840 in Boi Herra, Norway
Gunhild Torstenson DOB April 16, 1848 in Schian, Norway
Hans and Gunhild were married on April 12, 1869 and left for the US on April 15, 1869. They first settled in WI, then in 1873 moved to Dodge County, MN and in 1886 moved to Cransberg, SD. I am planning a trip to Norway in 2017 and would like to visit where they were from.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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9301 Posts |
Posted - 29/12/2016 : 01:42:25
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A candidate for Hans born in Bo, Telemark
Hans Kittilsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Hans Kittilsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 2 sep 1840
Baptism Date: 10 okt 1840 (10 Oct 1840)
Baptism Place: Bo, Telemark, Norway
Father: Kittil Holgesen
Mother: Margith Hansdr
FHL Film Number: 278270
Reference ID: 2:1SNZLV7
Hans and his family in the 1865 Norwegian Census
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1865&knr=0821&kenr=010&bnr=0041&lnr=000
This is likely their marriage record, took place in Skien so your spelling was a little off confusing you a little. See number 9. The date in the church record book is April 11, 1869.
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20061128320094 |
Edited by - AntonH on 29/12/2016 02:22:51 |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 29/12/2016 : 02:09:19
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It may be of interest that FamilySearch.org shows a Hans Kittelsen born 2 Sept 1840 in Bø, Telemark, Norway to parents Kittil Holgesen and Margith Hansdr. In such an index created by volunteers you sometimes see things spelled a little "Americanized" so they spelled it as Bo. The difference between an o and the actual ø MIGHT explain why in a much later obituary in America the spelling could have been as Boi - probably an effort to get close to the original SOUND of the word.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N41L-4QP
So - let's look at the original birth/baptismal record for that indexed entry. Those records are available at the Digitalarkivet website free for anyone with the patience to look for it. Here it is - record #99 on the pages linked -
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051011050098
This man is still living with his parents (spelling variations you should notice) in the 1865 Norwegian census for Bø.
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1865&knr=0821&kenr=010&bnr=0041&lnr=000
I will continue to investigate this particular man for a bit of time and come back with any more details which might prove to be of interest.
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I've been doing the same research as the person who posted just above. It is only because there was no response yet posted when I started. Sorry.
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audreylosey
Starting member
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Posted - 29/12/2016 : 04:22:30
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| Thank you both for a great start! This is very helpful! |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 29/12/2016 : 06:10:15
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In the 1869 marriage record in Skien (which is clearly the right couple), Hans is age 28 (born ca 1841) Gunhild is age 21 (born ca 1848).
If I'm reading the record right, says Gunhild was born in Saude. Maybe another candidate for Gunhild here:
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1880 census
Hayfield, Dodge, Minnesota
Hans Kittleson 39 born ca 1841
Cornelia Kittleson, 32 born ca 1848
Matilda, Cornelia, Charlie, Annie, Telinda
link
Interesting that "Gunhild" often gets Anglicized to "Cornelia." |
Edited by - JaneC on 29/12/2016 07:22:40 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 29/12/2016 : 11:01:55
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I believe the date of birth for Gunnild Torstensdatter should be April 6 1848, not April 16.
The baptismal record of April 20 is #28.
Her parents was Torsten Torstensen and Gunnil Danielsdatter, Kaasa.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/12/2016 : 11:05:29
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Gunnilds parents and siblings in 1865.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/12/2016 : 12:27:31
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eibache has identified a family for Gunhild living on Kaasa (Sauherad, Næs sogn). Likely it is their daughter Gunnil Torstensdatter who is living-working nearby as hired help on Lindem in 1865. Here again is the census record for Gunnhild: link
1865
Residence: Kaasa, Sauherad, Telemark
Torstein Torstensen 44 born in Saude
Gunnil Danielsdatter 46 born in Saude
Daniel Torstensen 13
Sigurd Torstensen 10
Gonne Torstensdatter 8
Gunnil Rollefsdatter 72, listed as Torsten's widowed mother
On the following link of places in this census district, Torsteinsens are on farm 0064 and Gunnil on 0073. link
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Gunhild's family came to America in 1871, about two years after she left.
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Emigration
on the bark Rjukan, from Skien 17 April 1871 to Quebec 31 May
Torsten Torsteinsen Kaasa 50
Gunnild Danielsdatter 51
Sigurd Torsteinsen 15
Gunne Torsteinsen 13
Rollef Torsteinsen 10
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audreylosey, what does the obit for Hans or Gunnild specifically say regarding their departure? Do you have other sources as well?
If it is correct their ship left Norway 15 April 1869, they were most likely passengers on the bark Skien: link
Some pages of the passenger manifest for the Skien were lost, and about 160 passengers who were on the ship can't be identified.
Arriving in Quebec: link
BTW some of the information posted will be new to you, but some will repeat what you know already. Genealogies are built starting from known information. Add information if you can.
In one South Dakota record, Gunhild's maiden name was given as Nellie Thompson.
A family tree for Torsten Torstensen (accuracy not verified) link
Use FINN-kart website to locate these places on a map.
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Edited by - JaneC on 29/12/2016 16:12:51 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 29/12/2016 : 16:33:57
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Just remembered, Mike Oiseth's website and genealogy database has a lot of information about the Norwegian settlers of Dodge county.
Your family is listed here: link
Home page
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Edited by - JaneC on 29/12/2016 16:38:51 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 29/12/2016 : 17:15:46
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quote:
A family tree for Torsten Torstensen (accuracy not verified) link
Sorry Jane, the link did not work for me.
But nice job on the emigration of the parents. The original manifest can be found on Ancestry.com but the transcription of a very difficult to read manifest would have been an impossible job without your post. Here is one of the family.
Torje Thortenson Koosa
in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Torje Thortenson Koosa
Date of Arrival: 31 May 1871
Vessel: Rjukan
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Quebec, Canada
Port of Departure: Skien, Norway |
Edited by - AntonH on 29/12/2016 17:42:44 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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9301 Posts |
Posted - 29/12/2016 : 17:45:24
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Very nice, especially when you click on Cascade of Ancestors, takes you back to 1708
Here is the family of
Tosten Tostensen on Hesthage in the 1801 Census.
https://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01058311001631
Probably the baptism record of Tosten Tostensen born in 1788. Father was Testen Christophersen and first wife Anne Halvorsdatter
Tosten Tostensen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Tosten Tostensen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 21 sep 1788
Baptism Place: Sauherad, Telemark, Norway
Father: Tosten Christophersen
Mother: Anne Halvorsdr
FHL Film Number: 127035
Reference ID: 2:11WG26D
Original record in Digitalarkivet See number 60 left page
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20061211010126
Tosten married Gunnil Rollevsdatter
Tosten Tostensen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Tosten Tostensen
Gender: Male
Age: 32
Birth Date: 1789
Marriage Date: 14 jun 1821
Marriage Place: Sauherad, Telemark, Norway
Spouse: Gunnild Rollevsdr
FHL Film Number: 127037
Reference ID: 2:1G4LTCG
Original record see number 17
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20061211310484
Gunil was born in 1799
Gunnil Rollevsdatter
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Gunnil Rollevsdatter
[Gunnil Torjusen]
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 2 jun 1799
Baptism Place: Sauherad, Telemark, Norway
Father: Rollev Torjusen
Mother: Anne Mathisdr
FHL Film Number: 127035
Reference ID: 2:11WH2QT
Original record see number 37 right hand page
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20061211010172
This is likely Gunnil with her family in the 1801 Census.
https://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01058311001047 |
Edited by - AntonH on 31/12/2016 17:14:58 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 29/12/2016 : 17:49:55
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Glad the link now worked!
Mike Oiseth includes various family members, but as individuals. They aren't linked as family.
Gunhild's father here
link
Mike kindly provides name variations. Gunhild's brother Sigurd born 1856 can be found as Sigurd Thorstensen or Sam Thompson.
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Edited by - JaneC on 29/12/2016 17:56:43 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 29/12/2016 : 20:35:07
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Mike Oiseth's say Hans Kittilsen was prob born at Bø.
He was born Sept 2 1840, see #99.
His parents were Kittil Helgesen and Margith Hansdatter, Quisla under Askilt.
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Edited by - eibache on 29/12/2016 20:49:06 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 29/12/2016 : 20:48:12
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Hans Kittilsen and his parents in 1865.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/12/2016 : 21:49:29
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Margith Hansdatter was born Jan 12 1808 and bapt. Jan 17, see 3rd record on right page.
Her parents were Hans Amundsen and Helge Johansdatter, Juwkaasa.
Hans Amundsen, Tveten and Helge Johansdatter, Rinde were married Sept 17 1800, see 2nd column.
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Edited by - eibache on 30/12/2016 10:30:17 |
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