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carl johnson
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 Posted - 04/02/2017 : 02:32:27
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Hello
I have resubmitted this as a new discussion
Hello All!
I do not know if it would be better to start a new discussion since this thread is from 2013 or not. First I would like to thank all those who were so helpful then, and I hope all is well with everyone in this valuable forum. I am revisiting my Larson tree in Norway. This time I am hoping to fill in the tree with my family that chose to remain in the Voss area. Anders and Nils remained and I was hoping to fill in wives and children and up to present day if possible
I hope to travel to Norway in the next 5 years and would love to meet some cousins! If this is not realistic in the forum I understand, but any information would be fantastic. Again, thank you for the amazing help you all gave me 4 years ago!
carl
"Lars Larsen Bjørke was married 2 times, his first wife Siselja b. 1819 married 1842.
Children; Ingebjørg, Brita, Ragnhild, Anders, Anna and Lars.
In his 2. marriage in 1856 with Ingebjørg Larsdatter they had following children; Siselja, Nils, Johannes, Brynjulv and Ingebjørg.
All of lars children (9) em. to N. America exept Anders and Nils. Anders takes over Graue and married Martha from Nedre (Lower) Graue 1875, both died on Graue 1908.
Lars recieved deed on the farm 1895 for 3200 Kroner (ca 800 Daler)
His son Lars b. 1878 maried Anna Oddsdatter Tøn in 1908 and recieved deed on the farm 1933 for 10.00 Kroner.
- Nils Larsen b. 1860 on Graue married Tina Nilsdatter, see farm nr 4 under Eggjareid.
Kåre
Edited by - Kåarto on 23/02/2013 20:24:53"
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Originally posted by Kåarto
Graue øvre (upper) 1900.
Lars Larsen and Ingebjørg Larsdatter as "føderaadsmand" and "Føderaadskone", another expression with same legal right as Kaarmand above.
Anders Larsen 1848 and Martha with 4 children, Nils L. b. 1860, occ "Fæhandler", livestock dealer, is Anders brother, link http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=6&filnamn=f01235&gardpostnr=586&merk=586
In 1900 there were 5 øvre Graue farms, your Lars Larsen folk is mentioned in the Ullstad genealogy in Vossaboki for Øvre Graue/Grauo/Graudo under Bruk 7, farm nr 7, page 238 as Lars Bjørku recieved deed fom his steph father in 1845for 950 Spesi Daler.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 04/02/2017 : 09:53:07
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1865
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1875
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1900 on Graue (as already posted)
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1900
A second listing with habitual residence noted as Graue
Nils, Lars, Anders junior
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Erik Andersen Graue b 1878 headed to Wash (presumably Washington state, USA)
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Lars Andersen Graue b 1876 working on railroad
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1907
Looks like the same Anders Andersen Graue (b 1885) traveling to Seattle to his brother
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1910
Anders Graue and family, and Nils L Graue
Anders daughter Secelia appears to be mother of Martin Olsen b 1902
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Lars A Graue b 1876, wife Anna, son Anders L Graue 1909
(Anna = Anna Oddsdatter Tøn)
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Anders A Graue b 1885 residence Seattle, home on a visit
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Martin Olsen Graue b 1902 headed to Seattle
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Andrew Adolf Graue b 1885 Voss, Norway
Naturalization record Snohomish county, Washington
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1969 death of Andrew Graue in Seattle
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1988 death of Martin Graue in King county, Washington
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Martin obit
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carl johnson
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Posted - 04/02/2017 : 22:19:06
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thank you for the quick reply JaneC
I am just now able to sit down and look at all these links.
It is amazing that these relatives chose the Puget Sound area to relocate, but did not stay in contact with the Larson families in Bellingham. (maybe they did?)
Also interesting they used "Graue" as last name. It is a last name I have never seen in America. |
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carl johnson
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Posted - 05/02/2017 : 19:29:54
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I was able to find Erik who came to WA State in 1903-
He married Anna Rongve and their first child was born in Bellingham [https://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Record/View/072F13495C1AA02D9A98B8A056349971] eventually named Mary Bertine Anderson
thank you JaneC for the start on Graue's in America.
Did any of Lars Larsson of Graue's children remain in Norway for any length of time? Is Graue a common last name in the Voss area?
Thank you all for your help- JaneC all your links were fantastic
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JulieJohnston
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Posted - 06/06/2017 : 03:59:05
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Hello.
I am the great granddaughter of Erik and Anna Rongve.
Erik and Anna had a four children:
Mary (oldest)
George
Bertha Mathilde Graue (my grandmother)
Alice (youngest)
Bertha married Dan Fye and had four children
Dan D. Fye
Iris
Deanne (my mother)
Janis
Deanne married Gerald Snodgrass and had two children
Layne
Julie (myself)
My mom said "uncle martin" never married and never had children (to our knowledge). He lived in downtown Seattle and worked for the city.
My mom said that she does not have knowledge of the larsens in Bellingham |
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AntonH
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Posted - 06/06/2017 : 16:29:45
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is Graue a common last name in the Voss area?
If you enter Graue in the NHDC site "SEARCHING THE 1865, 1875, 1900 AND 1910 CENSUSES FOR NORWAY" you will find 70 or so people with the last name Graue, most of them living in Voss.
1910
Also using Graue for both surname and farm name gives 41 people living on the Graue farm using the surname Graue. |
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carl johnson
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Posted - 06/06/2017 : 18:21:18
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Thank you Lindal40 for the reply concerning the last name Graue in the Voss area of Norway. Does census information stop after 1910 in Norway? I'm wondering the best way to try to find out if any of Lars Larson's children remained in Norway and never immigrated to the United States. I still don't fully understand how last names worked in that area of Norway in the early 1900s
Thank you all so much for the help that you've given me over these last few years
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AntonH
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Posted - 06/06/2017 : 22:29:31
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Does census information stop after 1910 in Norway?
No census taken after 1910 can only be used at present for statistical purposes. The next census to become available for general use will be the 1920 census in 2020. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 06/06/2017 : 22:56:42
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I noticed that in your Geni.com Tree that you do not have a death date for Anders Larssson Graue. I wonder if this is not him.
Anders L Graue
in the Web: Norway Burial Index, DIS-Norge, 1700-2010
Name: Anders L Graue
Death Date: 23 Dec 1982
Burial Place: Voss, Hordaland, Norway
Age: 73
Birth Date: 13 May 1909 |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 06/06/2017 : 23:28:43
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The Graue farm has been held within the family since 1825, when Anders Torgeirson Graue switched farm with Brynjulv Torleivson Graue.
Anders Torgeirson Graue, b. 1787, m. 1813 w/ Brita Isaksdatter Gjelle (1776-1844)
Children:
1) Martha b. 1813, m. 1835 w/ Lars Johannesson Møn (Emigrated to America)
2) Guri b. 1816, m. 1842 w/ Nils Larsson Skjerve (Emigrated to America)
3) Sisselja b. 1819, m. 1840 w/ Lars Larsson Bjørku (1816-1908). Lars married 2) 1856 w/ Ingebjørg Larsdatter Mæringi (-1908).
Lars took over the Graue farm in 1845.
Children with Sisselja:
1) Ingebjørg (Emigrated to America)
2) Brita (Emigrated to America)
3) Ragnhild (Emigrated to America)
4) Anders b.1848, married 1875 w/ Marta Eiriksdatter Nedre Graudo
5) Anna (Emigrated to America)
6) Lars (Emigrated to America)
Children with Ingebjørg:
7) Sisselja (Emigrated to America)
8) Nils b.1860, married w/ Trina Nilsdatter Kvåle
9) Johannes (Emigrated to America)
10) Brynjulv (Emigrated to America)
11) Ingebjørg (Emigrated to America)
All except 4) Anders and 8) Nils emigrated to America.
Anders Larsson Graue took over the farm in 1895.
His son Lars (born 1878, married 1908 to Anna Oddsdatter Tøn) took over in 1933.
Their son Anders took over in 1956. He was born 1909, married 1939 to Petra Vestrheim
Children to Anders & Petra:
1) Anna 1942
2) Gudrun 1947
3) Bjørg 1949
4) Lars 1951
Lars is the current owner of the farm.
Owners of Graue farm since 1825:
1) Anders Torgeirson Graue, owner 1825-1845
2) Lars Larsson Bjørku, owner 1845-1895
3) Anders Larsson Graue, owner 1895-1933
4) Lars Andersen Graue, owner 1933-1956
5) Anders Larsen Graue, owner 1956-xxxx
6) Lars A. Graue, current owner.
The address of the farm is
Grauavegen 130
5706 Voss
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carl johnson
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Posted - 07/06/2017 : 00:16:13
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Thank you so much!
I knew just a tiny bit of what you have listed here but so much of the more modern stuff I never even knew about.
I am hoping to visit this area of Norway when I retire in the next five years and it will be wonderful to have names and places to try to contact thank you so much!
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carl johnson
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Posted - 07/06/2017 : 06:58:55
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Originally posted by lyndal40
I noticed that in your Geni.com Tree that you do not have a death date for Anders Larssson Graue. I wonder if this is not him.
Anders L Graue
in the Web: Norway Burial Index, DIS-Norge, 1700-2010
Name: Anders L Graue
Death Date: 23 Dec 1982
Burial Place: Voss, Hordaland, Norway
Age: 73
Birth Date: 13 May 1909
Yes I am almost sure this must be him thank you so much
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jwiborg
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Posted - 07/06/2017 : 17:44:48
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Originally posted by carl johnson
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Originally posted by lyndal40
I noticed that in your Geni.com Tree that you do not have a death date for Anders Larssson Graue. I wonder if this is not him.
Anders L Graue
in the Web: Norway Burial Index, DIS-Norge, 1700-2010
Name: Anders L Graue
Death Date: 23 Dec 1982
Burial Place: Voss, Hordaland, Norway
Age: 73
Birth Date: 13 May 1909
Yes I am almost sure this must be him thank you so much
Carl-
His wife: Petra Vestrheim Graue (1916 - 06 Oct 2012) |
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carl johnson
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Posted - 07/06/2017 : 19:10:07
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Petra lived a very long time. She probably lived long enough to see great grandchildren!
Thank you for the research you are doing for my "new" Norway relatives!
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carl johnson
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Posted - 26/06/2017 : 06:05:50
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Originally posted by JulieJohnston
Hello.
I am the great granddaughter of Erik and Anna Rongve.
Erik and Anna had a four children:
Mary (oldest)
George
Bertha Mathilde Graue (my grandmother)
Alice (youngest)
Bertha married Dan Fye and had four children
Dan D. Fye
Iris
Deanne (my mother)
Janis
Deanne married Gerald Snodgrass and had two children
Layne
Julie (myself)
My mom said "uncle martin" never married and never had children (to our knowledge). He lived in downtown Seattle and worked for the city.
My mom said that she does not have knowledge of the larsens in Bellingham
Sorry it took so long to reply on this forum
But since you sent me a direct email and continued our discussion that way. It's wonderful that you are a part of the family tree
Carl
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Tom McMillan
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Posted - 16/07/2020 : 05:18:10
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Remembering Ivar Graue/Grae, a tailor from Norway to Camas, WA. The name this family used in the US was Grae.
Ivar Grae was an early tailor in Camas, WA. In 1947,my Dad, William John McMillan, III purchased the tailor shop from Ivar Grae, which is when we moved from Oregon City, OR to Camas, WA.
Some years back, I communicated with a lady who published a manuscript for the 100 year Anniversary in 2009, of Vosselag. Ivar Graue/Grae was one of the original 107 members of Vosselelag, a cultural organization organized in 1909 at Albert Lea, MN for those with heritage or interest in Voss, Norway. Ivar married Anna June 2, 1902 at the Voss Church. You can google for a website about Vosselag.
Ivar and Anna had no children, but they apparently did adopt, and help raise a girl who may have been orphaned. I don’t believe this girl had children either. For that reason, I wanted to honor the memory of Ivar and Anna with what I was able to find out about them, so they’re not totally forgotten.
Ivar L Gra/Grae shows as 32 years old, and his wife Anna Gra/Grae was 26 years old, both from Norway, when they immigrated to the US on the SS Saxonia in 1904. The record shows Ivar was a tailor, and their destination was to join Ivar’s cousin, Trond A Gra/Grae at Biwabik, MN.
There is one family tree showing his name as Ivar Larson Graue, born 11 Sept 1871 at Graue, Vangen, Voss, Hordaland, Norway, and Ivar died 3 Feb 1967 at Portland, OR. Ivar’s spouse was Anna Olsdatter Ofstedal, born 11 Jun 1878 at Evanger, Voss, Hordaland, Norway, and Anna died 10 Mar 1943 at Vancouver, WA. Ivar and Anna are buried at the Camas Cemetery in Camas, WA.
Ivar’s father, Lars Trondson Graue was a wheelwright.
Ivar and Anna show as “Gray” and Ivar a tailor, on the June 7, 1905 Minnesota census, and they were at Mankato, MN at that time.
On a 1905 Salem, OR directory, Ivar L Grae shows as a tailor for the Salem Woolen Mills Store. He and his cousin, Trond Grae are at the same address in Salem, OR in 1905. On 1908 and 1910 directories and 1910 census, Ivar Grae is back at Mankato, MN as a tailor for John Nelson who had a business as a merchant tailor in Mankato, MN.
It would seem it was the same Ivar Grae who was between Makato, MN and Salem, OR, so it appears there could have been a lot of travel between those places?
In 1911, Ivar Grae is at Salem, OR as a tailor for the Salem Woolen Mills Store again, and his cousin Trond Grae shows as a laborer in Salem. On the 1914 Camas, WA directory, Ivar is a tailor in Camas, WA. On the 1920 census, Ivar Grae is a lodger in Camas and shows as a tailor. (Anna is absent in 1920, as she returned to Norway for a visit where her mother was ill.) On the 1930 census Ivar is a tailor in Camas. Anna is with him, and who shows as a daughter, 19 years old Mildred C Grae, working as a stenographer for a bank. Mildred may have been adopted by Ivar and Anna. This census shows Mildred was born in Oregon. The 1940 census shows Ivar and Anna are living in Camas and Ivar is a tailor.
In 1931 Ivar and Anna Grae, and Mildred (now last name Matson on the ship manifest, which may have been her birth name) traveled by ship to England.
Regarding Mildred Matson, it appears she and a sibling Frances B Matson born 1913 were with a Berg family on the 1920 census where they show as born in Oregon and their parents born in Norway, so it appears the girls may have been orphaned. They lived at what shows as Gibbons in Clark County, WA so likely what is now Washougal. By 1930, Frances B Matson was living with the Berg family as a servant in Portland, OR.
The 1940 census shows Mildred as Mildred C Grae, single and working as a stenographer for accountants in Seattle, WA. The census shows she had lived at Camas, WA in 1935.
Mildred was first married to Wesley McPherson at the Lutheran Church in Camas. Witnesses to the marriage were William Karnath (I suspect the Dentist) and Caroline Gallaway (the wife of George, who was or became the mill manager for the Crown Zellerbach paper mill for a time in Camas, and on a 1965 directory shows as the President of Crown Zellerbach in California).
Ivar’s cousin, Trond Grae (I don't believe he married), had lived in the Tacoma and Seattle area until his death in 1966. On draft registration records he recorded his cousin Ivar Grae for contact. Trond is buried in the Camas Cemetery also.
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