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CheyanneSchmidt
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 Posted - 19/09/2017 : 18:41:39
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| I found Ellen's gravestone and her birth date is listed as May 4, 1837 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 19/09/2017 : 19:06:33
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Yeah, so you've got a problem. Your likeliest candidate so far doesn't match the Norwegian records perfectly. That's why you need to get her death certificate to see if it will settle the issue or illuminate the issue. The biography of Ellen Mastre would also be a good thing to obtain.
You can order a copy of the Ellen Mastre bio at the NDSU archives.
The death certificate will cost something like $5 or $8 and can be ordered online at the North Dakota site.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/09/2017 : 23:00:56
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With the differences in birth date from Gravestone of May 4, 1837 and birth date of July 4, 1838 for Elen Stenersdatter it is worth some effort to see what if any relationship there is between Ellen Mastre and the Aadnesen families.
Jackie showed one in which for his baptism in 1870 Henry Olaus had as witnesses both Thor Adnesen and Guro Thorsdatter. . Which shows that at least Ellen was acquainted with the Addnesen family.
Here is the Ancestry.com trranscription.
Henry Maris Mastre
in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, Records, 1826-1940
Name: Henry Maris Mastre
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 15 Nov 1870
Baptism Date: 4 Dec 1870
Baptism Place: Dakota, Minnesota, USA
Father: Niels Ellevsen Mastre
Mother: Elen Stenorsd
Church Name: St John's Lutheran Church
Church Location: Northfield, Minnesota
We have identified Thor Aadnesen earlier and Guro would be his and Kari Aadnesen's daughter born in 1843.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/09/2017 : 23:33:16
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Stener and Guro were both listed for the baptism in June 1861 for the baptism of son Höje Havus Aadneson as posted on page one. Both Tore and Kari Aadnesen were witnesses.
Thus the 1860 Census record listing Hannah is somewhat suspect. Age is wrong for Guro according to the emigration and marriage records.
Stener died in 1865 age 58 and on the original record his parents are listed as Aadne Hoynes (approximate spelling) and Guro Steinarsdatter of Laurdal.
Steinar
in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, Records, 1826-1940
Name: Steinar
Event Type: Burial
Death Date: Apr 1865
Burial Date: 5 Jun 1865
Church Name: Holden Lutheran Church
Church Location: Goodhue County, Minnesota
So I wonder where the surviving family was in 1870 Census.
This is likely what is left of the family of Thor Aadnesen and wife Kari still living in Belle Creek, Goodhue County. Living with them is a Helen Anderson who I suppose could be the Hannah Anderson listed as Stener/s wife in the 1860 Census.
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CheyanneSchmidt
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Posted - 20/09/2017 : 02:40:10
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| I've ordered the biography and death certificate, so maybe they will shed some light. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 20/09/2017 : 02:40:52
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Some history of Niels and his first wife might be of some value.
Niels Ellefsen was born June 15, 1816 and baptized June 30, 1816 in Brunlanes, Vestfold, Norway
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He married Gunvor Halvorsdatte who was born May 23, 1819 baptized May 30, 1819 in Nissedal, Telemark
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According to several trees on Ancestry.com they married in 1845 in Dane County Wisconsin. They had many children including James shown in the 1870 Census. Gunvor died in 1864 in Dodge Minnesota.
Nels Ellesen
in the Wisconsin, Marriage Index, 1820-1907
Name: Nels Ellesen
Marriage Date: 3 May 1845
Marriage Place: Dane, Wisconsin, USA
Volume: 01
Page: 0016
Name: Gunver Halverdatter
Marriage Date: 3 May 1845
Marriage Place: Dane, Wisconsin, USA
Volume: 01
Page: 0016
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 20/09/2017 : 04:03:17
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Originally posted by CheyanneSchmidt
I've ordered the biography and death certificate, so maybe they will shed some light.
You go, girl! |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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7790 Posts |
Posted - 20/09/2017 : 04:28:08
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Some history of Niels and his first wife might be of some value.
Niels Ellefsen was born June 15, 1816 and baptized June 30, 1816 in Brunlanes, Vestfold, Norway
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He married Gunvor Halvorsdatte who was born May 23, 1819 baptized May 30, 1819 in Nissedal, Telemark
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According to several trees on Ancestry.com they married in 1845 in Dane County Wisconsin. They had many children including James shown in the 1870 Census. Gunvor died in 1864 in Dodge Minnesota.
Nels Ellesen
in the Wisconsin, Marriage Index, 1820-1907
Name: Nels Ellesen
Marriage Date: 3 May 1845
Marriage Place: Dane, Wisconsin, USA
Volume: 01
Page: 0016
Name: Gunver Halverdatter
Marriage Date: 3 May 1845
Marriage Place: Dane, Wisconsin, USA
Volume: 01
Page: 0016
So the son James aged 24 in 1880 belongs to Niels' first marriage.
He was with the family in 1880 census but I think he may also be near them in the 1885 Dakota Territorial census. Interesting that children from the 2nd marriage are styled as "Nielsen" in 1885
04-079-03 Ellfeson, Ellen 48 Norway Walsh
04-079-04 Neilson, Andrew 19 Farmer MN Walsh
04-079-05 Neilson, Julia 17 MN Walsh
04-079-06 Neilson, Annie 16 MN Walsh
04-079-07 Neilson, Henry 14 MN Walsh
04-079-08 Neilson, Simon 12 IA Walsh
04-079-09 Neilson, Elias 10 OR Walsh
04-079-10 Neilson, Emma 9 OR Walsh
04-079-11 Neilson, Caroline 7 IA Walsh
The probable brother-in-law and family:
04-061-46 Ellefson, Lars 60 Farmer Norway Walsh
04-061-47 Ellefson, Anne M. 58 Norway Walsh
04-061-48 Ellefson, Jens 20 Farm laborer MN Walsh
04-061-49 Ellefson, Andreas 17 Farm laborer MN Walsh
04-061-50 Ellefson, Maren L. 14 IA Walsh
Maren was baptized in the same church as Simon.
Possibly James and another son?
05-29-21 Ellefson, J. 27 Farmer MN Walsh
05-029-22 Ellefson, B. 24 Norway Walsh
05-029-23 Ellefson, H. 3 Dakota Walsh
05-029-24 Ellefson, C. 1 Dakota Walsh
05-029-25 Ellefson, At. 38 Farmer WI Walsh
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/09/2017 : 16:40:45
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Yes, according to one of the many trees for Niels Ellefsen Mastre he had eight children with Gunvor from 1845 to 1865 and another seven with Ellen from 1866 to 1878.
There are a large number of trees that trace the ancestry of both Niels and Gunvor and as near as I can tell from a brief look at the data are probably accurate. However none of the many trees that also include Ellen have any names for her parents. Not a good sign.
And brother Lars was baptized April 1, 1825
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There was also a third child Cecelia ? (Cecilie) who may have married the brother of Gunvor the first wife of Niels Ellefson and ended up in Worth Iowa.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/09/2017 : 18:12:51
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Yes, according to one of the many trees for Niels Ellefsen Mastre he had eight children with Gunvor from 1845 to 1865 and another seven with Ellen from 1866 to 1878.
There are a large number of trees that trace the ancestry of both Niels and Gunvor and as near as I can tell from a brief look at the data are probably accurate. However none of the many trees that also include Ellen have any names for her parents. Not a good sign.
And brother Lars was baptized April 1, 1825
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There was also a third child Cecelia ? who may have married the brother of Gunvor the first wife of Niels Ellefson and ended up in Worth Iowa.
Well interesting. Neither Niels nor Gunvor appear to be in the first two volumes of Naeseth's Norwegian Immigrants Directory series.
This is probably him at FAG:
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=ellefson&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSst=30&GScnty=1800&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GRid=30734347&df=all&
Although his absence in the 1880 census makes me wonder since he died so late in the year according to the stone. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/09/2017 : 18:17:39
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I am confused, Niels was in the 1880 Census.
Name: Neils Ellefson
Age: 63
Birth Date: Abt 1817
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1880: Drayton, Pembina, Dakota Territory, USA
Odd, he shows up in my Ancestry.com transcription but not in the original document when I look at the page with the rest of the family.
Here he is in the Family Search version
1880
In the original document he is listed above a Isac Nielson Son age 21. And there is some sort of pencil mark that I assume is to indicate he is linked to the family below Isaac. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/09/2017 : 18:36:37
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Duh... It always pays to look up and down the page. The son Isaac also went by Mastre and became a minister in the Christian church.
Actually, it's drawing attention to the fact that he has the same household number as Ellen.
Re Cecelia that may be the first name I struggled interpreting in the faddernes of Stener and Gunvor. I thought it might be a garbled Lars but Cecelia would make much more sense since it appears they go with 2 male faddernes and 2 female faddernes in most cases.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 21/09/2017 : 19:12:57
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Ancestry.com has a search function for the data base "Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927". It is probably not complete for every baptism in Norway but it has proven to be quite useful and has a huge number of Norwegian baptisms.
Searching the data base for the name spelled as Ellen with father named Stener born 1837 plus/minus 1 comes up empty.
Searching the data base for the name spelled as Elen with father named Stener born 1837 plus/minus 1 turns up two candidates.
The first candidate is the one who I have been focusing on in my posts Elen Stenersen born 4 jul 1838 in Laardal,Telemark,Norway, father named Stener Aadnesen and who we found with family in Goodhue County in the 1860 US Census.
The second candidate is Elen Marie Stenersdatter born 1 sep 1838 in Vefsn, Nordland, Norway, father is Stener Eriksen. She is not a likely candidate since I have found her in the 1865 Norwegian Census married and living in Vefsn.
1865
Expanding the search to be Elen, father named Stener and born 1837 plus/minus 2 only turns up one more candidate.
A Elen Dorthea Stenersdatter born 13 okt 1839 also in Vefsn, Nordland, Norway, father is Stener Ingebrigtsen. She is also not a likely candidate as I found a marriage record for her. She married a Hans Andreas Halvorsen 2 aug 1863..
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Trying to search by exact birth date does not turn up any candidates with the name Ellen born May 4, 1837.
Searching under the name Elen born May 4, 1837 turns up these candidates.
Elen Ingebretsen Orland, Sor Trondelag, Norway father Ingebret Paulsen
Elen Pedersdatter, Hasvik, Finnmark, Norway father Peder Olsen married 6 okt 1867 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 21/09/2017 : 20:08:53
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You can also now search Digitalarkivet for records. Here is what I found for Elen, born in 1837.
I found a total of 107 hits for Elen born 1837. Looking down the list I only found two born May 4, 1837 and they are the ones I found in the Ancestry.com data base as well.
Elen Ingebretsen born May 4, 1837, same as the one above
Link
And Elen Pedersdatter same as the one above.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 21/09/2017 : 22:36:10
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Okay so if the databases cover Laurdal, check for a daughter of Stener and Aslaug named Guro. Already done, noted above.If there isn't one, that would be circumstantial support for the idea that pastor was confused about Ellen's name on the leaving the parish record....
Relying on the databases is difficult without knowing how comprehensive they are, or if one database was used in the creation of the other database rather than two independent creations from the original records. But so far that is the most promising one in spiite of the variation in the birthdate.
Maybe her d.c. or her biography will give a more detailed place name than just Norway or some other significant detail. |
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Ellen Stenersdatter Gullickson
