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jkmarler
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AntonH
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 Posted - 21/09/2017 : 23:05:36
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I have used the Ancestry.com data base enough so I know it is not complete. I was surprised that I found the same information on birth date of May 4, 1837 using both the Ancestry.com data base and the Digitalarkvet search function.
Here are the children for Stener and Aslaug from Laardal, Telemark found in the Ancestry.com data base.
Aadne Stenersen 11 jan 1831 6 feb 1831
Thor Stenersen 18 sep 1832 18 sep 1832
Elen Stenersen 4 jul 1838 29 jul 1838
However a Guro was born to Stener and Aslaug in Skfsaa, Telemark in 1835. Is it the same Stener and Aslaug as in Laardal. Probably since the names are somewhat unique. Also there seems to be a reference to Laardal in the date box.
Guro Stenersen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-19
Name: Guro Stenersen
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 5 jul 1835
Baptism Date: 19 jul 1835
Baptism Place: , Skafsaa, Telemark, Norway
Father: Stener Aanedsen
Mother: Asloug Thorsdr
FHL Film Number: 126961
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However this Guro Stenersdatter may be the same one found married in the 1865 Census in Lardal. As her birth record was found in the Mo prg. section.
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Edited by - AntonH on 22/09/2017 00:34:52 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 21/09/2017 : 23:30:11
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Since Elias was born in US, it begs the question why he had to file for a naturalization record:
Oddly enough his U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 has the box for Natualized Citizen checked.
Answer is he was in Canada for the 1906 Census and was still single at the time. Here is a partial record leaving off all the other people living at the address. The R is clearly an N in the original record.
Elias R Mastre
in the 1906 Canada Census of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta
Name: Elias R Mastre
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 31
Birthplace: USA
Immigration Year: 1906
Province: Saskatchewan
District: Humboldt
Sub-District Description: Townships 31, 32, 33 in ranges 24 to 28 inclusive and fractional Townships 31, 32, 33 in range 29, all west of the 2nd M
Sub-district: 10
Post Office: Cressman
Section: NW18
Township: 33
Range: 25
Meridian: W2 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 21/09/2017 : 23:47:05
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| Actually Elias took a homestead in Canada and their homestead program was much like US, had to declare to become citizen. So he basically had renounced his US citizenship. |
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jkmarler
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AntonH
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Posted - 22/09/2017 : 02:09:53
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Here from the ELCA records is the marriage of Ellen Stenersen and Nils Ellefsen.
The original shows Ellen age 27 and as living at Goodhue County, Belle Creek and Nils Ellefsen age 49 from Dodge County (maybe Canisteo)
Witnesses are difficult to read but might be L and N Gravann?
Ellen Stenersen
in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, Records, 1826-1940
Name: Ellen Stenersen
Gender: Female
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 21 Oct 1865
Marriage Place: Olmstead, Minnesota, USA
Spouse: Nils Ellefsen
Church Name: St Olaf Lutheran Church
Church Location: Byron, Minnesota |
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
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Posted - 22/09/2017 : 07:30:03
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# 3 Ole Stenerson (from the second marriage of Stener Aadneson) Kari Aadnesdatter Skjelbred and Torbjorg Thorsdatter Skjelbred are faddernes:
SAKO, Lårdal kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0005: Parish register (official) no. I 5, 1815-1860, p. 73
Quick link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20051007020335
And # 2 on the same page Stener is Stener's grandson, son of Aadne Stenerson and Sissel Pedersdatter.
#1 Thov (Stener's and Guro's son) faddernes include Thor Aadneson and Torbjor Thorsdatter both on Tveten
SAKO, Lårdal kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0005: Parish register (official) no. I 5, 1815-1860, p. 77
Quick link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20051007020341
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AntonH
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Posted - 22/09/2017 : 17:08:48
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So Aadne Thorson in Iowa has a different birthdate than target Aadne Thorson....
This Aadne has a birth date that matches your FAG record for the Aadne Thorson from Iowa.
Aadne Toresen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Aadne Toresen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 15 feb 1851
Baptism Date: 23 mar 1851
Baptism Place: Time,Rogaland,Norway
Father: Thore Aadnesen
Mother: Sophie Pedersdr
FHL Film Number: 307152
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AntonH
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Posted - 22/09/2017 : 22:46:48
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Taking the family of Elen Stenersdatte further back in time finds her father
Stener Aadnesen baptized 29 mar 1807 in Kviteseid, Telemark, Norway, father is Aadne Højesen and mother is Guro Steenersdatter
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Aadne Højesen married Guro Steenersdattter on 19 July 1806 in Kviteseid, Telemark, Norway
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Original record first entry left page hard to read
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Probably Guro Steenersdatter in the 1801 Norwegian Census.
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The wedding record for the couple indicates that Aadne came from Laurdal so this is probably him in the 1801 Census.
1801
Guro Steenersdatter was baptized 13 nov 1785 in Kviteseid, Telemark, Norway, father was Steener Olsen. Steener Olsen is listed in the 1801 Census in the same domicile as Guro.
Original record second entry in the 1786 section
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Aadne Høgesen was baptized on 3 des 1775 in Laardal, Telemark, Norway father was Høge Odden
Original record about three up from the beginning of the 1877 Section.
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Steener Olsen married Kirsti Torvildsdatter on 14 feb 1785 in Kviteseid, Telemark, Norway
Middle of right hand page
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jkmarler
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Posted - 23/09/2017 : 00:58:57
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It is curious how hard it is to find these two families Thor & Kari Aadneson's and Stener Aadneson's in US.
Aadne is kind of a localized version of Arne, so perhaps the family are hidden in plain sight with a name evolution?
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AntonH
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Posted - 23/09/2017 : 02:00:58
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| That is especially true for Stener and Guro. Stener and Guro do not show up very often on any records for Ellen and her children. That may have to do with the fact that the family arrived in 1859 and father died shortly thereafter. Stener died in Apr 1865 and Ellen did not get married until October of 1865. So the father was dead by the time she started her own family. The only real record for both families is the baptism of Höje Havus Aadneson where Steinar Aadneson and Guro Tovsdatter are listed as parents and Thor and wife Kari Aadnesen are listed as witnesses. The date seems to be 1860 with some other words which I can not make out. What is strange is that the in the 1860 Census, the wife is named Hannah and not Guro and the birth year is much earlier than what works for Guru. Now at the time of the 1860 Census Thor and Kari lived only a few farms away form Stener and his wife what ever her name was.After 1860 Census the children seem to have scattered to the winds and are very difficult to trace. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 23/09/2017 : 05:29:03
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Well you know what the dirty little secret about the 1850, 1860, &1870 censuses is? It's like the game of Telephone.
The original schedules were handwritten documents and those documents were deposited in each county courthouse. While they were there, another handwritten copy was made of them and then that second copy was sent to the state government. While there in the state capitol, another handwritten copy was taken of it. This third copy was then sent to Washington, DC. The third copy, the Washington DC copy is what was microfilmed. Very few of the second copies exist and those few that do exist, when compared to the microfilmed (and now online) copy significant differences appear. It's an actual wonder we can find who we look for! |
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AntonH
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Posted - 23/09/2017 : 22:44:15
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Looking for the children other than Ellen of Stener Aadnesen (Anderson) and Guru Tovsdatter. They had a child born in Minnesota in 1861 named Henry (Hølje).
This is likely him in the 1870 US Census living with the Ole Anderson family.
1870
And him with the same family in the 1880 Census using the name Henry Steinerson.
1880
I have not found that Stener and Thor had another brother named Ole. However in the 1875 Minnesota State Census both older brother Ole born in Norway in 1855 and younger brother Henry born in 1861 in Minnesota are living with the Ole Anderson and Julie Anderson family in Belle Creek, Goodhue County.
Henry Stenasen
in the Minnesota, Territorial and State Censuses, 1849-1905
Name: Henry Stenasen
Age: 15
Census Date: 1 May 1875
County: Goodhue
Locality: Belle Creek
Birth Location: Minnesota
Gender: Male
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Race: White
Father's Birth Location: Norway
Mother's Birth Location: Norway
LINE: 25
Roll: MNSC_7
Ole Stenasen
in the Minnesota, Territorial and State Censuses, 1849-1905
Name: Ole Stenasen
Age: 19
Census Date: 1 May 1875
County: Goodhue
Locality: Belle Creek
Birth Location: Norway
Gender: Male
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Race: White
Father's Birth Location: Norway
Mother's Birth Location: Norway
LINE: 23
Roll: MNSC_7
In the family of Ole Anderson and Julie, it is likely that Julie's name is Guro Thorsdatter. A FAG record shows her birth date as July 28, 1828 Norway. I have not found a Guro with that exact birth date in Telemark. Now Stener Aadnesen married a Guro Thorsdatter born about 1830, so is this perhaps where Steners wife Guro ended up after Stener died in 1865.Or is this a totally separate Guro.
Here is a baptism record for the son Steiner, father is Ole Anderson and mother is Guro Thorsdatter. One of the witnesses is also named Guro Thorsdatter so the connection between the Stener family of Ellen and Ole and Guro (Julia) is still a little unclear to me, however I am guessing that the Guro's are one and the same.
Guro Thorsdtr
in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, Records, 1826-1940
Name: Guro Thorsdtr
Gender: Female
Spouse: Ole Andersen
Child: Steinar Andreas Andersen
Church Name: Holden Lutheran Church
Church Location: Goodhue County, Minnesota |
Edited by - AntonH on 23/09/2017 23:55:01 |
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