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CriztiWalsh
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 Posted - 26/06/2018 : 20:08:06
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Hello All!
I'm looking at this marriage register for Magnus Pettersen and Wilhelmine Sorensdatter in Grimstad Parish (#33). I have no info on Magnus other than his birthday, his father's name and the fact that he was born in Sweeden.
There are two names in front of the name Magnus. At first I thought these were two additional names for him...but I am wondering if the first name/word is actually a prefix, because I see it before other names in the register as well. So, if anyone is able to offer some assistance to deciphering the Groom's full name or the two name/words before "Magnus", I would greatly appreciate it!
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 26/06/2018 : 21:09:01
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The first is an abbreviation of ungkarl means bachelor. The second I guess as steward. prob stenarb. abbreviation of stone worker. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 28/06/2018 15:10:31 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 26/06/2018 : 21:48:52
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Here is the transcribed record from Ancestry.com
Magnus Pettersen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Magnus Pettersen
Gender: Male
Age: 31
Birth Date: 1849
Marriage Date: 19 des 1880 (19 Dec 1880)
Marriage Place: Grimstad, Aust-Agder, Norway
Father: Petter Magnusson
Spouse: Vilhelmine Gurine Sorensdatter
FHL Film Number: 1282586
Reference ID: b 1 p 197 e 33
And the same record looking at it from Vilhelmine's side
Name: Vilhelmine Gurine Sorensdatter
[Vilhelmine Gurine Petersen]
Gender: Female
Age: 23
Birth Date: 1857
Marriage Date: 19 des 1880 (19 Dec 1880)
Marriage Place: Grimstad, Aust-Agder, Norway
Father: Soren Petersen
Spouse: Magnus Pettersen
FHL Film Number: 1282586
Reference ID: b 1 p 197 e 33 |
Edited by - AntonH on 26/06/2018 21:49:52 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 26/06/2018 : 21:51:02
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Probably the baptism record for Wilhelmina
Wilhelmine Gurine Sorensen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Wilhelmine Gurine Sorensen
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 27 jan 1857
Baptism Date: 13 apr 1857
Baptism Place: Fjaere,Aust-Agder,Norway
Father: Soren Petersen
Mother: Lena Johnasdr
FHL Film Number: 123528
The original parish record, click on number 40
#40
The family in the 1865 Norwegian Census
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Edited by - AntonH on 26/06/2018 21:57:46 |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 26/06/2018 : 22:36:02
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The first is as jkmarler says "Ungk", which is short for ungkarl, meaning bachelor. The second could be Stuert, which is the norwegian word for steward. A stuert is in charge of the crew's food and accommodation on board a merchant ship.
Was he a sailor? Other possibility (less likely) is Husmand (farmer).
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Edited by - jwiborg on 26/06/2018 22:37:34 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 26/06/2018 : 22:53:47
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I see you have a Family Tree on Ancestry.com with the family of Wilhelmina well in hand. So it is the ancestry of Magnus born in Sweden that is at question.
A tougr search, to find Magnus This is likely Wilhemmina in the 1875 Norwegian Census, living on Gimle but no sign of future husband.
1875
I do see that the 1910 Norwegian Census does give an exact birth date for Magnus of Nov 14 1848. That seems to differ from the year of 1849 you have in your Tree.
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Edited by - AntonH on 27/06/2018 02:03:39 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 27/06/2018 : 03:03:37
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It is a tough hunt for Magnus as I am sure you already know. So we turn over any stone we can find. I notice in the baptism record for Jørgen born in 1896 that one of the witnesses is named Else Rebecca Andersen
Here is the original record.
#16
This is likely the same lady on Berge in 1875. She is not from Sweden but her husband Otto Andersen is listed as from Wermland Sverige. Probably Värmland, Sweden which borders Norway on the east.
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Edited by - AntonH on 27/06/2018 03:05:13 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 27/06/2018 : 23:50:20
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When Jørgen was born 1896 and Marie 1891, the bapt.record tells Magnus was born 1849
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Fjære August 22. 1911, married Road-worker Magnus Petterson died of a hearth-attac.
The record tells he was born i Sweden Nov. 14. 1849, see # 18 |
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Hopkins
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Posted - 28/06/2018 : 01:54:15
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Magnus arrived in Grimstad in 1880? and is listed in the parish innflyttede records of 1880. More "challenging" handwriting - but another chance.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060201010703
(Christine Walsh has also posted her query to Ancestry message boards (Norway>General) and no acknowledgement of response there either.) |
Edited by - Hopkins on 28/06/2018 01:56:47 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 28/06/2018 : 02:16:26
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In the data base on Ancestry.com called Sweden, Select Baptisms, 1611-1920, there is no one named Magnus born Nov 14, 1849. Only two named Magnus Pet* born in Nov of 1849.
Name: Magnus Wilhelm Jan Pettersson
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 27 nov 1849
Baptism Date: 30 nov 1849
Baptism Place: Dals-Ed, Älvsborg, Sweden
Father: Jan Petter Pettersson
Mother: Maria Olofsdotter
Name: Magnus Petersson
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 17 nov 1849
Baptism Date: 18 nov 1849
Baptism Place: Vastra Torsas, Kronoberg, Sweden
Father: Peter Andersson
Mother: Anna Larsdr |
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AntonH
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Posted - 28/06/2018 : 02:18:46
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The other potentiall birth year was 1848. Only one Magnus born in Nov of 1848.
Name: Petter Magnus Johan Pet .sson
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 11 nov 1848
Baptism Date: 12 nov 1848
Baptism Place: Vireda, Jönköping, Sweden
Mother's Age: 46
Father: Johan Pet. Magnisson
Mother: Stina Jaensdr |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 28/06/2018 : 09:56:58
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quote:
Originally posted by Hopkins
Magnus arrived in Grimstad in 1880? and is listed in the parish innflyttede records of 1880. More "challenging" handwriting - but another chance.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060201010703
(Christine Walsh has also posted her query to Ancestry message boards (Norway>General) and no acknowledgement of response there either.)
Diff to read.
Could #28 Magnus be from
Hammarlunda, a small town in Esløv Sweden |
Edited by - Kåarto on 28/06/2018 23:45:08 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/06/2018 : 14:32:51
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quote:
Originally posted by Kåarto
quote:
Originally posted by Hopkins
Magnus arrived in Grimstad in 1880? and is listed in the parish innflyttede records of 1880. More "challenging" handwriting - but another chance.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060201010703
(Christine Walsh has also posted her query to Ancestry message boards (Norway>General) and no acknowledgement of response there either.)
Diff to read.
Could #28 Magnus be form
Hammarlunda, a small town in Esløv Sweden
The fifth column head asks the reason for relocating so it's probably not a town it's some sort of work. The same purpose as #29 just below Magnus' entry. The word doesnot start with an H. On this page in column 6 where they are asked to tell the place they are leaving and where they were born, these #s in col 5 have Hs for comparison: 26, 27, 29, 32.
Magnus' attest (the far right column) looks something like ___ Ekeberg and is dated 8 Nov 1875 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 28/06/2018 : 15:01:37
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Here is the transcribed record from Ancestry.com
Magnus Pettersen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Magnus Pettersen
Gender: Male
Age: 31
Birth Date: 1849
Marriage Date: 19 des 1880 (19 Dec 1880)
Marriage Place: Grimstad, Aust-Agder, Norway
Father: Petter Magnusson
Spouse: Vilhelmine Gurine Sorensdatter
FHL Film Number: 1282586
Reference ID: b 1 p 197 e 33
And the same record looking at it from Vilhelmine's side
Name: Vilhelmine Gurine Sorensdatter
[Vilhelmine Gurine Petersen]
Gender: Female
Age: 23
Birth Date: 1857
Marriage Date: 19 des 1880 (19 Dec 1880)
Marriage Place: Grimstad, Aust-Agder, Norway
Father: Soren Petersen
Spouse: Magnus Pettersen
FHL Film Number: 1282586
Reference ID: b 1 p 197 e 33
#33
SAK, Grimstad sokneprestkontor, F/Fa/L0002: Ministerialbok nr. A 1, 1869-1881, s. 197
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060201010639
Mr. Handwriting wrote this one, too. Looks like stone worker stenarb is Magnus' occupation and he hasn't aged a day since 1877 still age 31, Sweden alone is where he was born.
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jwiborg
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Posted - 28/06/2018 : 20:32:10
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/06/2018 : 21:39:05
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| Stoneworker is interesting. Google told me that there is (or was) a marble quarry in Ekeberg. |
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Parish Registry for Marriage help (Grimstad)
