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dbehl
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 Posted - 12/01/2019 : 04:46:31
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| Lynda, thank you very much for the spreadsheet and other information! Even after reviewing it, I'm still digesting it. My sister and I will chew on it a bit and then load it into our Ancestry and FamilySearch trees. I was hoping to get a link back to Norway, but never expected to get all the way back to the 1700's. I am familiar with the Halvorsen family that had a restaurant near Stoughton, Wi. on Hwy 51. It will be interesting to see if this tree leads to them. Louis S. married Lena M. Schoeneberg and had 4 daughters. Clara Lena Severson, one of them, is my grandmother. She married Harvey Winch McChesney of Vienna Twp, near Waunakee, Wi.. They also had 4 daughters, one was my mother. Unfortunately all of the Severson girls and McChesney girls are now gone, so finding their family history is proving quite uplifting. I am considering a trip to Norway, I wonder if the Ygre farm could still be located? It would be interesting if I could locate a relative while there. |
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dbehl
Starting member
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Posted - 12/01/2019 : 04:57:55
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| Lynda, thank you very much for the spreadsheet and other information! Even after reviewing it, I'm still digesting it. My sister and I will chew on it a bit and then load it into our Ancestry and FamilySearch trees. I was hoping to get a link back to Norway, but never expected to get all the way back to the 1700's. I am familiar with the Halvorsen family that had a restaurant near Stoughton, Wi. on Hwy 51. It will be interesting to see if this tree leads to them. Louis S. married Lena M. Schoeneberg and had 4 daughters. Clara Lena Severson, one of them, is my grandmother. She married Harvey Winch McChesney of Vienna Twp, near Waunakee, Wi.. They also had 4 daughters, one was my mother. Unfortunately all of the Severson girls and McChesney girls are now gone, so finding their family history is proving quite uplifting. I am considering a trip to Norway, I wonder if the Ygre farm could still be located? It would be interesting if I could locate a relative while there. |
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ToreL
Advanced member
Norway
842 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2019 : 14:09:34
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As the Norwegian population grew during the last centuries, farms were often divided up, retaining their original names but each getting a number to distinguish them. Thus, your Knut Sjursen Ygre came from Ygre farm no. 3 according to the numbering in the bygdebok. Here is a link to the relevant volume of the bygdebok; the excerpt I posted above was from page 215. Unfortunately, the site is only available to Norwegian IP addresses, but it is relatively easy to circumvent such restrictions using so-called VPN-servers:
https://www.nb.no/items/URN:NBN:no-nb_digibok_2008041404099
This is a very old bygdebok; the farm will definitely have been divided further up since the book was written, but for what it is worth, here is a link to the property 112/3 in Voss municipality. All properties that were originally part of the Ygre farm are numbered 112, and the number after the slash indicates the sub-division:
https://kommunekart.com/klient/voss/vossakart?urlid=fddc14cc87ca44e598665b00e25d3dbb
As you can see, the search returns several separate areas; I am not not sure how to interpret this, but it was common for a farm to own some agregable land and some areas further out for grazing or wood. But given the uncertainty about the numbering, I would in any case recommend you to contact the local museum to get more accurate information, they willl be able to tell you where Bruk number 3 of Ygre farm, mentioned in Vossaboki, is located:
http://www.vossfolkemuseum.no/en/news-and-events
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dbehl
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Posted - 12/01/2019 : 18:00:38
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| Tore, thanks for the information and input on this forum! It is interesting how they tied themselves to the land. I guess that is part of the reason they migrated, to have their own. It is also interesting that Norway has such good records. I have been doing research in upper New York and there are areas that records from the early 1800's just don't exist, even churches were not keeping family information. I have no idea why my previous post ended up being posted twice... |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 12/01/2019 : 18:11:12
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I am familiar with the Halvorsen family that had a restaurant near Stoughton, Wi. on Hwy 51. It will be interesting to see if this tree leads to them.
One issue with online trees is that they are not always accurate. Looking more carefully at the Halvorsen Family Tree from Ancestry.com, I wonder if the manager has made a mistake with the parents of Lars Olsen Kvåle born about 1806.
I will do some further digging later today.
Here is the marriage record for Lars Olsen Qvale and Britha Olsdatter Vinje.
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More likely he has the people right but the baptism date wrong. This is likely the record for baptism of Lars Olsen. Born to Ole Larsen and Ingeborg Andersdatter, baptism is on Feb 28, 1808.
Fifth record left page
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The father Ole Larsen b abt 1789 in the 1801 Census on Qvale. Father is Lars Olsen b abt 1767 and mother is Kari Hendrichsdatter b abt 1764.
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Family Tree for this family on Geni.com
Kvåle
Marriage record for Ole Larsen and Ingeborg Andersdatter in 1807. Original record is hard to find in the mess that is the parish records for Voss in that time period.
Name: Ole Larsen
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 30 jun 1807
Marriage Place: Evanger,Hordaland,Norway
Spouse: Ingeborg Andersdr
Find it at fourth record left page under Evanger sub parish.
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 12/01/2019 : 19:38:13
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I have a favorite booklet of hardcopy Norwegian maps (Vestlandet areas only) which shows a Ygre farm still when it was published in 2003. That farm would appear to fall around 4 km east of the village/town of Voss itself along the railroad line.
Whether or not that map location includes all the subdivisions/subfarms of Ygre mentioned I cannot say.
I also looked for Kvåle named farms on that same map page including the area of Voss district and saw more than one.
The Norway published books of history and possibly including some genealogy of residents which may be available in the US by InterLibrary Loan or at a nearby library which happens to have such holdings --
“Ættebok for Vossestrand”, by Lyngvaer, Roald; “Historie om Undvandrigen fra og Vossingerne i Amerka”, by Rene, K.A.; “Vossaboki”, 4 volumes by Kindem, Lars (Apr 2013 online at www.ullstad.com/index.htm?/vossaboki/vossaboki.htm); “Gamalt frå Voss”; “Voss bygdebok”; “Tingbok Voss”, 3 volumes by Anna Kløve; “Gardssoge for Vossestrand: Vinje Sokn” by Torstein Hellesnes.
I recommend obtaining a good Norwegian-English dictionary before trying to tackle Norwegian history books. |
Edited by - Hopkins on 12/01/2019 20:01:47 |
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dbehl
Starting member
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Posted - 12/01/2019 : 20:40:25
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| Thanks for the info Hopkins! I was thinking as I read the Norway published books part, I wonder where I can find a Norsk speaking person to translate..It is interesting the Knute and Carrie came from the same area almost 10 years apart and ended up marrying in America. Just curious, do you happen to be descended from Stephen Hopkins of the Mayflower and Jamestowne fame? |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3351 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2019 : 22:36:51
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Spouse -- No relation to Mayflower or Jamestown. Rather an immigrant from British Isles to colonies early 1600s. Also not descended from Stephen Hopkins of Declaration of Independence although the family claimed so for many years...
Myself -- 100% Norwegian American.
Both family trees well documented... this has been a hobby for many years.
When I first encountered the pages of a bygdebok which was pertinent to one of my own family lines - I started collecting a list of words I'd need/want translated. For translation of the abbreviations I encountered I had to turn to an online friend who quickly gave me a great deal of insight. I finally purchased a good Norwegian-English dictionary (I found mine through Amazon) and I also recommend online helps for older archaic words which tend to be more strongly Danish.
I'll admit I still have some narratives I've found that I've not taken the time to completely translate myself - but I got the most important bits for the family tree. I work on a more 'wordy' narrative from time to time - one word and/or phrase at a time.
Today some people turn to Google translate - but I've heard it isn't good with older language and some dialects.
Start collecting websites which can help you learn and expand capabilities.
A few of my personal favorites --
https://otjoerge.wordpress.com/norwegian-american-dictionary/ae-o-a-0-9/#0
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/articles.html
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 13/01/2019 : 18:58:47
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I was hoping to get a link back to Norway, but never expected to get all the way back to the 1700's
I think that with some effort you will be able to back a few centuries further. I think that you will be able to find some ancestors of yours back to the 1500's. Thats usually where the trial goes cold for most family lines.
While doing the research to assure myself of who Lars Olsen Kvåle is and who is parents really are I tracked some of his ancestors back to the 1600's. To get that far back I switched to the parents of one of the wives since the male line went dead. Here is the line.
Voss Family line for Lars Olsen Kvåle (Qvale( born 1808
Married Britha Olsdatter Vinje
His father was Ole Larsen Qvale born 1789
He married Ingeborg Andersdatter Styve
His father was Lars Olsen b abt 1767
He married Kari Hendrichsdatter
His father was Ole Larsen Kvåle b abt 1740
He married Ingeborg Knudsdatter Helleve born about 1740
Her father was Knut Brynulvson Helleve born about 1700
His father was Brynulv Knutsen Helleve born about 1661
He married Ingeborg NIlsdatter
The information for this line comes from two places. First place is from a Geni.com tree which led me to a posting of page 94 of the Bygdebok "Vossaboki Vol 3" by Lars Kindem. in a Website for a Ullestad family. The farm in the posted Bygdebok page is called Helleve. There is a fine picture of the farm but from the looks of it the picture is quite very old. Also there is a mention of your ancestor Lars Olsen Kvåle as it seems he bought the Helleve farm in 1838 and then sold it in 1841.
Here is the link to the Bygdbok page
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And a link to the Geni.com tree
Geni Tree
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ToreL
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AntonH
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Posted - 13/01/2019 : 23:46:22
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In the above line is a Kari Henrichsdatter Helleve. You can trace her family tree back to a Mikkjel Erikson Tvlide born about 1540. The way I did that was use Ancestors Report in the click down menu under the Actions Button. Click on Actions up in the right hand corner and then on Ancestors Report. Slide the descendants out to about 10 generations. The list shows two ancestors born about 1540. One of them Mikkjel Erikson Tvilde (c1540-1614) shows a father but the notes seem to cast some doubt on the validity of him as the father of Mikkjel.
Mikkjel Eirkson Tvilde
The note for Erik is
"Han var truleg ikkje faren til Mikkjel. Teksten i Vossaboki er nok feiltolka. I Boka Tvildeætte av Kindem står det: "..., og millom det er 3 spann i Tvilde som Eirik Andersson sin far har ått."
The first part states this
He is probably not the father of Mikkjel. The text in the Vossaboki is likely misinterpreted. In the book Tvilde clan of Kindem's stands this {and between them is 3 spann i Tvilde som Erik Andersson sin far har att"
Now one of the native speakers is going to have to explain what the section "3 span i Tvilde som Erik Andersson sin far har att" means. |
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ToreL
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Posted - 14/01/2019 : 00:29:58
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| Som Erik Andersson sin far har ått: Which Erik Andersson's father has owned. (Ått is Nynorsk or dialect.) I think "spann" is some old measure for the value of land. You write "Tvide" several places; is this accurate or should it be Tvilde? |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 14/01/2019 : 01:27:30
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Thanks Tore, yes I misspelled the word several times even tho the correct version was staring me in the face.
The research to find ancestors of a profile on Geni.com can be useful in a person building a family tree.
The reverse direction is also possible for Geni.com. If you click on Action and then Descendant Report. Doing that can give a person a line toward some living relatives in Norway. |
Edited by - AntonH on 14/01/2019 02:01:09 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 19/01/2019 : 04:49:30
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Here is some additional information on the Lars Olsen Kvåle family from the Voss Bygdebok.
It follows the following family tree.
Voss Family line for Lars Olsen Kvåle (Qvale( born 1808
Married Britha Olsdatter Vinje
His father was Ole Larsen Qvale born 1789
He married Ingeborg Andersdatter Styve
His father was Lars Olsen b abt 1767
He married Kari Hendrichsdatter
His father was Ole Larsen Kvåle b abt 1740
He married Ingeborg Knudsdatter Helleve born about 1740
His father was Lars Olavson Lassahaugen born about 1707
He married Guro Larsdatter Lid
From the Bygdebok
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dbehl
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Posted - 28/01/2019 : 22:36:49
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Using the Halvorson family tree, my sister has been comparing/updating the Behl\McChesney family tree, while I have done the same with my FamilySearch tree. The Halvorson Tree turned out to be very close with the FamilySearch data and FamilySearch added many where the Halvorson tree left off. Again, I really appreciate all the assistance you all have provided!
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Knute Severson / Carrie Severson
