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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 24/01/2019 : 02:23:34
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Originally posted by SvenOlsen
I've noticed that from the early years all the births occured under Vatnebu/Vatnebo/Vatneboe and then there are some sprinkles of Lonnovig under Vatenbu or Vatneboeje. And then in the later years I also start to see Braarvik coming up. (Though with different spelling as Brorvik) Would I be correct in assuming that the sons are splitting land amongst eachother or are they starting new farms? Not sure what's happening. I suppose they could also be living as cotters in different areas I guess.
If you look over some of the 1770 pages again you will see Brorvig and other spellings that are likely the farm that some family members eventually lived on. |
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SvenOlsen
Junior member
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Posted - 24/01/2019 : 15:37:56
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Left page number 47, does that say "Ole Severin Karlsen"? https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/789/4882/44
I am looking for the death record of Ole Severin Karlsen, born 1864. His father has another son with the exact same name born in 1875, which i've learned very likely means that the other one died young. |
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SvenOlsen
Junior member
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Posted - 26/01/2019 : 01:58:14
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So, i've recently discovered that Ole Andreas Olsen had a son named Johan Severin Olsen in 1882 and then another child with the same name in 1884. My first thought was that the earlier child died, but there is no death record.
There are also two Ole Severin Karlsens, one from 1864 the other from 1875, I cannot find a death record for the one from 1864.
Also, i'm having difficulties with reading these two names:
Bottom left, cannot read second name. https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/5098/75143/5
Bottom left, cannot read second name. https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/5098/75143/11 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 26/01/2019 : 02:21:42
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A possible Johan Severin Olsen died in 1883
Johan Severin Olsen
in the Norway, Select Burials, 1666-1927
Name: Johan Severin Olsen
Gender: Male
Age: 1
Birth Date: 14 okt 1882 (14 Oct 1882)
Death Date: 24 feb 1883
Death Place: Dypvåg, Aust-Agder, Norway
Burial Date: 3 mar 1883
FHL Film Number: 1282588
Reference ID: Pg.485 #7 Item 2
#8
Baptism for him
#49
#15 Berthe Gundelle
#2 Jenny Jørgine
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 26/01/2019 : 03:31:18
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Here is what I can find on your other question on the death of Ole Severin Carlsen. A Ole Severin Carlsen was born Sept 11, 1864.
Ole Severin Carlsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Ole Severin Carlsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 11 sep 1864
Baptism Date: 15 okt 1864 (15 Oct 1864)
Baptism Place: Flosta, Aust-Agder, Norway
Father: Carl Christian Olsen
Mother: Tarine Knudsdr
FHL Film Number: 123519
Reference ID: 1855-1871
His original record is #85
#85
It is possible that this is the same Ole Severin who died in 1868 but not definite, since there is no birth date on the death record. But comparing the writing in the birth record to the death record I would say you would be fairly safe in concluding the two records are for the same child.
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There is only one Ole Severin Karlsen who shows up in the later records for Flosta. And that is the one born Oct 10, 1875.
Name: Ole Severin Olsen (Karlsen)
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 19 okt 1875 (19 Oct 1875)
Baptism Date: 31 okt 1875 (31 Oct 1875)
Baptism Place: Dypvåg, Aust-Agder, Norway
Father's Age: 37
Mother's Age: 33
Father: Karl Kristian Olsen
Mother: Tarine Knudsdatter
Here he is in 1910 Census. Appears he lived in America for some time. Brooklyn to be exact
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And in 1891 Census he is the only Ole Severin living at home.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 26/01/2019 : 18:02:55
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An Ols S Karlson arrival in New York in 1905. Listed as a seaman in what might be the Crew List/. Original record lists his as from Arendal. Lists his friend Knud Johnson in Brooklyn as going to visit
Ole S Karlsen
in the New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
Name: Ole S Karlsen
Arrival Date: 5 Sep 1905
Birth Date: abt 1876
Age: 29
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Christiansand, Norway
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Hellig Olav
This looks like his emigration record so he might not have been a crew member but just going for a visit.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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SvenOlsen
Junior member
Netherlands
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Posted - 13/02/2019 : 14:01:55
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It has been a while since i've last posted in this thread, but i've managed to discover a lot on my own so far. There are however questions that remain that I need help with. I hope that all of you will be able to help me. All these individuals were born in Flosta, Aust-Agder. (Vatenbu, Watneboe, Watneboeje, Lonnvig/Lonvik, Braarvig/Braarvik. Somtimes you'll get a Lonnvig under Vatenbu, et cetera. But yeah, this shouldn't be too important.)
So first of all, I would like to start with the family of Syvert Terjesen. I know from records that he immigrated to "North-America" in 1871, but I haven't been able to find anything on him or about his family.
Edit: I know everything about his family pre-immigration, I figured I would clarify. I'm looking for information post-immigration.
Here is his immigration record: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/9438/87468/12 (Right page, in the middle, far right.)
Secondly, I am looking for more information on the twins; Tomas Georg Olsen and Johan Severin Olsen. Both born on the 28th of August 1884, baptized on the 14th of September 1884 and confirmed on the 24th of Ocotober 1897. I cannot find any marriage or immigration records for them, nor can I find them in the censuses in their later years. They haven't died either, as far as i'm aware.
Thirdly, there are the brothers Johan Severin Karlsen (Born on 1 September 1881, baptized 11 September 1881, confirmed 20 October 1895) and Severin Martin Karlsen.(Born on 24 Juli 1885, baptized 9th of August 1885, confirmed 15 October 1899) I cannot find a marriage, immigration or dead record for either of them.
Fourthly I'm interested in Ole Theodor Johansen (Born on 8 Juli 1863, baptized 9 August 1863, confirmed 21 October 1877) I'm again looking for, marriage, dead, immigration.
Last but not least I am looking for Terje Torstensen (Born 10 August 1836, baptized 28 August 1836, confirmed 20 Oktober 1850) and August Severin Torstensen (Born 23 Februari 1840, baptized 15 march 1840, no confirmation record) I'm again looking for, marriage, dead, immigration or for the latter, a confirmation record |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 13/02/2019 : 16:27:09
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Originally posted by SvenOlsen
So first of all, I would like to start with the family of Syvert Terjesen. I know from records that he immigrated to "North-America" in 1871, but I haven't been able to find anything on him or about his family.
Edit: I know everything about his family pre-immigration, I figured I would clarify. I'm looking for information post-immigration.
Here is his immigration record: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/9438/87468/12 (Right page, in the middle, far right.)
Okay he came with wife and children and the complete ditto message is "Wisconsin i Nord Amerika " so its at least possible that that's where they ended up.
#5-9 SAK, Dypvåg sokneprestkontor, F/Fb/Fbb/L0002: Klokkerbok nr. B 2, 1851-1871, s. 176 Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070524320340
The others named are Salvine Christensdatter age 43 so born about 1828, a daughter Johanne aged 15 so born about 1856, sons Terje born 31 July 1868 and Severin Martin born 7 Aug 1870.
Here is the family in the 1865 census, 11 year old daughter not listed as Johanne but Theresia:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038160004083
Not a really great possible, just a possible in 1880:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MN4Z-V5D
The son Ole is a bit of a mystery:
S Toreisan Self M 55 Norway
Salvine Toreisan Wife F 51 Norway
Johannah Toreisan Daughter F 25 Norway
Ole Toreisan Son M 10 Norway
Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1880," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MN4Z-V5D : 15 July 2017), Salvine Toreisan in entry for S Toreisan, 1880; citing enumeration district ED 63, sheet 267C, NARA microfilm publication T9 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d), roll 1421; FHL microfilm 1,255,421.
Another possible in 1905 Wisconsin:
Salvine Forgerson Head M 76y Norway
Hannah Richardson Daughter F 49y Norway
Citing this Record
"Wisconsin State Census, 1905," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MMSL-XKC : 10 March 2018), Salvine Forgerson, Christiana, Dane, Wisconsin; citing p. 31, line 29, State Historical Society, Madison; FHL microfilm 1,020,444.
Salvine (and it looks more like a T than an F in the image) is widowed and Hannah is also widowed. Here is the image:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6DHS-SFZ?i=16&cc=1443899
Here they are in the 1900 census, Sivert still alive and two Richardson granddaughters living with them:
Sever? Torgerson Head M 75 Norway
Salvene Torgerson Wife F 71 Norway
Nettie Richerdson Granddaughter F 19 Wisconsin
Lydia A Richerdson Granddaughter F 14 Wisconsin
Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1900," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MMK4-PC6 : accessed 13 February 2019), Salvene Torgerson in household of Sever? Torgerson, Christiana town, Section 19-36, Dane, Wisconsin, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) 38, sheet 9A, family 154, NARA microfilm publication T623 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1972.); FHL microfilm 1,241,782.
Severt and Salvine came to US in 1871 and he is a farmer. Here is the 1900 image:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DBGW-353?i=16&cc=1325221 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/02/2019 : 16:58:47
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Johanna's marriage and her middle name is Teresia:
Name Robert Richardson
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 28 Jul 1881
Event Place Christiana, Dane, Wisconsin, United States
Gender Male
Race White
Birthplace Jefferson Co.
Father's Name Wm. Richardson
Mother's Name Jennette Richardson
Spouse's Name Johanna Teresa Torgerson
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Race White
Spouse's Father's Name Sivert Torgerson
Spouse's Mother's Name Minnie Torgerson
Note Pr Name: Occ: Miller Res: Christiana, Dane, Wis.;
Citing this Record
"Wisconsin, County Marriages, 1836-1911," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XRLJ-Y5Q : 17 March 2018), Robert Richardson and Johanna Teresa Torgerson, 28 Jul 1881; citing Christiana, Dane, Wisconsin, United States, Wisconsin Historical Society, Madison; FHL microfilm 1,275,927.
You are always much better off if you are looking for a family. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/02/2019 : 17:38:50
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Secondly, I am looking for more information on the twins; Tomas Georg Olsen and Johan Severin Olsen. Both born on the 28th of August 1884, baptized on the 14th of September 1884 and confirmed on the 24th of Ocotober 1897. I cannot find any marriage or immigration records for them, nor can I find them in the censuses in their later years. They haven't died either, as far as i'm aware.
This looks like them in the 1910 Census for Flosta
1910
There is some additional information given on them in the Census record.
Johan Severin is listed as a "ships mate now home sick"
Tomas Georg is listed as a "steward at sea" and also "presumably in New York, North America" |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/02/2019 : 17:58:49
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Thirdly, there are the brothers Johan Severin Karlsen (Born on 1 September 1881, baptized 11 September 1881, confirmed 20 October 1895) and Severin Martin Karlsen.(Born on 24 Juli 1885, baptized 9th of August 1885, confirmed 15 October 1899) I cannot find a marriage, immigration or dead record for either of them.
1910
For Johan Severin it states that he is a seaman who has travelled to Australia
For Severin Martin is states that he is a dock worker in Brooklyn New York |
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SvenOlsen
Junior member
Netherlands
48 Posts |
Posted - 13/02/2019 : 19:36:35
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quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler
quote:
Originally posted by SvenOlsen
So first of all, I would like to start with the family of Syvert Terjesen. I know from records that he immigrated to "North-America" in 1871, but I haven't been able to find anything on him or about his family.
Edit: I know everything about his family pre-immigration, I figured I would clarify. I'm looking for information post-immigration.
Here is his immigration record: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/9438/87468/12 (Right page, in the middle, far right.)
Okay he came with wife and children and the complete ditto message is "Wisconsin i Nord Amerika " so its at least possible that that's where they ended up.
#5-9 SAK, Dypvåg sokneprestkontor, F/Fb/Fbb/L0002: Klokkerbok nr. B 2, 1851-1871, s. 176 Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070524320340
The others named are Salvine Christensdatter age 43 so born about 1828, a daughter Johanne aged 15 so born about 1856, sons Terje born 31 July 1868 and Severin Martin born 7 Aug 1870.
Here is the family in the 1865 census, 11 year old daughter not listed as Johanne but Theresia:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038160004083
Not a really great possible, just a possible in 1880:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MN4Z-V5D
The son Ole is a bit of a mystery:
S Toreisan Self M 55 Norway
Salvine Toreisan Wife F 51 Norway
Johannah Toreisan Daughter F 25 Norway
Ole Toreisan Son M 10 Norway
Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1880," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MN4Z-V5D : 15 July 2017), Salvine Toreisan in entry for S Toreisan, 1880; citing enumeration district ED 63, sheet 267C, NARA microfilm publication T9 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d), roll 1421; FHL microfilm 1,255,421.
Another possible in 1905 Wisconsin:
Salvine Forgerson Head M 76y Norway
Hannah Richardson Daughter F 49y Norway
Citing this Record
"Wisconsin State Census, 1905," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MMSL-XKC : 10 March 2018), Salvine Forgerson, Christiana, Dane, Wisconsin; citing p. 31, line 29, State Historical Society, Madison; FHL microfilm 1,020,444.
Salvine (and it looks more like a T than an F in the image) is widowed and Hannah is also widowed. Here is the image:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6DHS-SFZ?i=16&cc=1443899
Here they are in the 1900 census, Sivert still alive and two Richardson granddaughters living with them:
Sever? Torgerson Head M 75 Norway
Salvene Torgerson Wife F 71 Norway
Nettie Richerdson Granddaughter F 19 Wisconsin
Lydia A Richerdson Granddaughter F 14 Wisconsin
Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1900," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MMK4-PC6 : accessed 13 February 2019), Salvene Torgerson in household of Sever? Torgerson, Christiana town, Section 19-36, Dane, Wisconsin, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) 38, sheet 9A, family 154, NARA microfilm publication T623 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1972.); FHL microfilm 1,241,782.
Severt and Salvine came to US in 1871 and he is a farmer. Here is the 1900 image:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DBGW-353?i=16&cc=1325221
It seems to check out. Even the birth months match up, I just do not understand the name change. Maybe he was illiterate when he came to the united states? |
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SvenOlsen
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Posted - 13/02/2019 : 19:39:40
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Originally posted by lyndal40
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Secondly, I am looking for more information on the twins; Tomas Georg Olsen and Johan Severin Olsen. Both born on the 28th of August 1884, baptized on the 14th of September 1884 and confirmed on the 24th of Ocotober 1897. I cannot find any marriage or immigration records for them, nor can I find them in the censuses in their later years. They haven't died either, as far as i'm aware.
This looks like them in the 1910 Census for Flosta
1910
There is some additional information given on them in the Census record.
Johan Severin is listed as a "ships mate now home sick"
Tomas Georg is listed as a "steward at sea" and also "presumably in New York, North America"
I've seen that before, the census as well. But I've never seen an immigration record, so I assumed they were just working in those places and had to come home eventually. I can look up till about 1920 in the records, and there are no marriages which I found odd. By that age they should have been married. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/02/2019 : 19:59:26
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Possibly Johanne in 1900 census, no first name, came to US in 1871 and is a widow and is the mother of 7 children but only 5 are living:
M B Magoon Head M 36 New York
Hattie Magoon Wife F 29 Wisconsin
Ernest Magoon Son M 6 Wisconsin
Hellen Magoon Daughter F 4 Wisconsin
Herbert A Magoon Son M 2 Wisconsin
Richardson Servant F 45 Norway
Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1900," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MM2H-NZM : accessed 13 February 2019), Richardson in household of M B Magoon, Milton town, east side, Rock, Wisconsin, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) 187, sheet 13B, family 344, NARA microfilm publication T623 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1972.); FHL microfilm 1,241,815.
Possibly Johanne's daughter Lydia in the 1910 census, her father born Wisconsin and her mother born Norway :
Elizabeth Hughes Head F 28 Wisconsin
Jane A Jones Mother F 58 Wisconsin
Winiford P Walsh Boarder F 21 Wisconsin
Lida Richardson Servant F 22 Wisconsin
Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1910," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MPVQ-QMD : accessed 13 February 2019), Lida Richardson in household of Elizabeth Hughes, Delafield, Waukesha, Wisconsin, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) ED 159, sheet 3B, family 66, NARA microfilm publication T624 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1982), roll 1741; FHL microfilm 1,375,754.
The daughter Nettie, granddaughter and Johanne in 1920 census:
Name: Nettie Voight
[Nettie Richardson]
Age: 37
Birth Year: abt 1883
Birthplace: Wisconsin
Home in 1920: Janesville Ward 2, Rock, Wisconsin
Street: St Marys Ave
House Number: 621
Residence Date: 1920
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital status: Widowed
Father's Birthplace: Wisconsin
Mother's name: Hanah Richardson
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Able to Speak English: Yes
Occupation: Works
Industry: Knitting Factory
Employment Field: Wage or Salary
Home Owned or Rented: Own
Home Free or Mortgaged: Free
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
Nettie Voight 37
Mary Helen Voight 5
Hanah Richardson 66
Source Citation
Year: 1920; Census Place: Janesville Ward 2, Rock, Wisconsin; Roll: T625_2014; Page: 1B; Enumeration District: 109
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1920 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Fourteenth Census of the United States, 1920. (NARA microfilm publication T625, 2076 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C. For details on the contents of the film numbers, visit the following NARA web page: NARA. Note: Enumeration Districts 819-839 are on roll 323 (Chicago City).
Description
This database is an index to individuals enumerated in the 1920 United States Federal Census, the Fourteenth Census of the United States. It includes all states and territories, as well as Military and Naval Forces, the Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, American Samoa, Guam, and the Panama Canal Zone. The census provides many details about individuals and families including: name, gender, age, birthplace, year of immigration, mother tongue, and parents’ birthplaces. In addition, the names of those listed on the population schedule are linked to actual images of the 1920 Federal Census. Learn more...
In the 1930 census:
Hananh Richardson Head F 74 Norway
Nettie Voigt Daughter F 47 Wisconsin
Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1930," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9SG-5VX : accessed 13 February 2019), Nettie Voigt in household of Hananh Richardson, Janesville, Rock, Wisconsin, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) ED 26, sheet 9B, line 66, family 236, NARA microfilm publication T626 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 2002), roll 2610; FHL microfilm 2,342,344.
Name Nettie Voight
Event Type Death
Event Date 17 Jan 1961
Event Place Grba, , Wisconsin
Residence Place , Wisconsin
Gender Female
Age 79
Certificate Number 000091
Citing this Record
"Wisconsin Death Index, 1959-1997," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V8SJ-8V7 : 12 December 2014), Nettie Voight, 17 Jan 1961; from "Wisconsin Death Index, 1959-1997," database and images, Ancestry (http://www.ancestry.com : 2007); citing certificate number 000091, Grba, , Wisconsin, Wisconsin Department of Health, Madison.
In 1910 census:
Fern S Tutshorn Head M 39 Wisconsin
Alice S Tutshorn Wife F 42 Wisconsin
Evelyn M Tutshorn Daughter F 8 Wisconsin
Emily A Tutshorn Daughter F 6 Wisconsin
Howard F Tutshorn Son M 2 Wisconsin
Ben F Voigt Servant M 47 Wisconsin
Nettie R Voigt Servant F 28 Wisconsin
Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1910," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MP2P-JBG : accessed 13 February 2019), Nettie R Voigt in household of Fern S Tutshorn, Richmond, Walworth, Wisconsin, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) ED 147, sheet 3A, family 51, NARA microfilm publication T624 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1982), roll 1740; FHL microfilm 1,375,753.
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