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SvenOlsen
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Netherlands
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 Posted - 13/02/2019 : 20:53:51
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| Ole Theodor Johansen's migration record? (number 7 left) Looks like it is the same guy, based on the date of birth. I cannot read anything that's being said though. Or the location for the migration. https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/3997/20449/3 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 14/02/2019 : 00:06:34
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Originally posted by SvenOlsen
Ole Theodor Johansen's migration record? (number 7 left) Looks like it is the same guy, based on the date of birth. I cannot read anything that's being said though. Or the location for the migration. https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/3997/20449/3
He's going to Sweden (Sverige) to get married. |
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SvenOlsen
Junior member
Netherlands
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SvenOlsen
Junior member
Netherlands
48 Posts |
Posted - 14/02/2019 : 13:05:16
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Originally posted by jkmarler
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Originally posted by SvenOlsen
Ole Theodor Johansen's migration record? (number 7 left) Looks like it is the same guy, based on the date of birth. I cannot read anything that's being said though. Or the location for the migration. https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/3997/20449/3
He's going to Sweden (Sverige) to get married.
Permanently? Is he going to be living there or is he going to return home after the marriage? Does it say where in the country he is going exactly? |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 14/02/2019 : 16:32:06
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Originally posted by SvenOlsen
I found Syvert Terjesen and his family in the port of arrivals in Quebec:
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/immigration-records/passenger-lists/passenger-lists-quebec-port-1865-1900/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=206261&
He is still using their proper names at that moment, so I don't understand the change once they got to America.
That passenger list is also transcribed at NorwayHeritage:
http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_list.asp?jo=1575
The voyage was direct from Norway, so the person who made the list wasn't necessarily an English speaker and writer but more likely a Norwegian professional on the boat, so much more likely to understand the name as spoken and to be able to write it in the list. This would not necessarily be the case in US or even Wisconsin (that a Norwegian would be the clerk) although Dane county where they ended up is thick with Norwegians and Norwegian Americans (by that time 2nd generation). The 1900 census does say Syvert can read and write and speak English but they have been there for some time by then.
The name "Salvine", however, is fairly unique and looking for her is how I found the candidate family in Wisconsin. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence that these are the correct people but no direct "smoking gun."
However, there might be some evidence if you can find an obituary for Syvert, Salvine or Johanne (as Hanna) in which their travel story is printed. Newspaperarchive.com has some Janesville, Rock county, Wisconsin newspapers of the mid-1900s (and probably a Dane county paper or two) if you were interested in taking a subscription you might find something recounting their travel and origins.
These people may also be covered in the ELCA pastoral acts databases at Ancestry. Occasionally, you will find in deaths & funerals in the ELCA records more exacting places of origin than just the name of the country. This is also true of some confirmation records. Was Johanne confirmed before they took off? And maybe if the boys grew up to at least confirmation age, they might also appear in them. In the ELCA databases confirmations are lumped with the baptisms. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 14/02/2019 : 16:38:28
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Originally posted by SvenOlsen
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Originally posted by jkmarler
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Originally posted by SvenOlsen
Ole Theodor Johansen's migration record? (number 7 left) Looks like it is the same guy, based on the date of birth. I cannot read anything that's being said though. Or the location for the migration. https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/3997/20449/3
He's going to Sweden (Sverige) to get married.
Permanently? Is he going to be living there or is he going to return home after the marriage? Does it say where in the country he is going exactly?
It just says Sweden. Generally the expectation is when they get their attest that it will be more or less permanent. However, events can overtake a person then and now and plans can be changed. |
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SvenOlsen
Junior member
Netherlands
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Posted - 15/02/2019 : 13:18:05
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Right, so I will look through swedish recods later to see if I can find anything about his marriage.
For the moment this leaves Tomas Georg Olsen and Johan Severin Olsen. Both born on the 28th of August 1884, baptized on the 14th of September 1884 and confirmed on the 24th of Ocotober 1897. There is no mention of them up to 190, by which time they should be 36 years old, hence they should probably be married. According to what we know so far they appear to be overeas, one of them in New York. There is no immigration record for either of them though, but maybe they moved there?
Look like this is the same for the brothers Johan Severin Karlsen (Born on 1 September 1881, baptized 11 September 1881, confirmed 20 October 1895) and Severin Martin Karlsen.(Born on 24 Juli 1885, baptized 9th of August 1885, confirmed 15 October 1899) It should seem as though they've also immigrated to the United states and Autralia repectively, but no immigration record.
as for Terje Torstensen (Born 10 August 1836, baptized 28 August 1836, confirmed 20 Oktober 1850) and August Severin Torstensen (Born 23 Februari 1840, baptized 15 march 1840, no confirmation record) I believe we have nothing on them so far.
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SvenOlsen
Junior member
Netherlands
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Posted - 20/02/2019 : 20:20:38
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| I found this regarding another part of the family, I was looking for "Herman Julius Edvardsen" specifically, as he should have been called back then. Apparantly he and his relatives mostly went to America and adapted different names, I cannot find any immigration records though, not on the Norwegian or American side, perhaps any of you could help? http://data.eidsvollsmenn.no/familychart.php?personID=I24963&tree=Eidsvollsmenn |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 20/02/2019 : 20:41:02
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The information probably come from a family tree like this one on Ancestry. com
Herman Julius Anderson
1876–1924
BIRTH 28 MAR 1876 • Dypvag, Aust-Agder, Norway
DEATH 3 APRIL 1924 • Corona, New York
Herman J Anderson
in the New York, New York, Extracted Death Index, 1862-1948
Name: Herman J Anderson
Age: 48
Birth Year: abt 1876
Death Date: 3 Apr 1924
Death Place: Queens, New York, USA
Certificate Number: 1531
This might be his arrival. He lists Arendal as his last residence
Herman Andraasen
in the New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
Name: Herman Andraasen
Arrival Date: 30 Apr 1891
Birth Date: abt 1876
Age: 15
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Norwegian
Place of Origin: Norway
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination: New York
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Teutonic
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SvenOlsen
Junior member
Netherlands
48 Posts |
Posted - 20/02/2019 : 21:13:53
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| Very strange, Edvard had a lot more childern, but he seems to have gone to the united states with just Herman Julius. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 20/02/2019 : 22:38:25
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Ah yes, I thought that Hermann was a little young to be traveling but not impossible so I did not look at the name above him.
Ed Andraasen
in the New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957Name: Ed Andraasen
Arrival Date: 30 Apr 1891
Birth Date: abt 1849
Age: 42
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Norwegian
Place of Origin: Norway
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination: New York
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Teutonic
Edvard stayed long enough to have made the 1892 New York Census. He is listed as a carpenter and is living with his son who is listed as Herman E for this census.
Edward Anderson
in the New York, State Census, 1892
Name: Edward Anderson
Birth Year: abt 1850
Birth Place: Norway
Age: 42
Gender: Male
Citizenship: Alien
Residence Place: Brooklyn, Kings
Ward: Ward 06
Election District: 17
Name: Herman E Anderson
Birth Year: abt 1876
Birth Place: Norway
Age: 16
Gender: Male
Citizenship: Alien
Residence Place: Brooklyn, Kings
Ward: Ward 06
Election District: 17
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SvenOlsen
Junior member
Netherlands
48 Posts |
Posted - 21/02/2019 : 00:16:06
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According to this census in Norway, they should have been back at home still at that time. I don't see any indication of them being overeas, like with the brothers we spoke about a few days prior, they had a listing of being in different countries. Plus, in the American census the birth year for the father is off lightly. I mean, it could still be him but it seem unlikely, especially becaue the rest of their family is not in New York, but perhap the mother and other childern would come later?
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052865005479
According to what I found, most of the family migrated to the United states, but there seems to be some inconcistancies. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 21/02/2019 : 00:43:47
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Perhaps this is Herman in the 1900 US Census
1900
By 1905 he was married with children
Herman Anderson
in the New York, State Census, 1905
Name: Herman Anderson
Birth Year: abt 1876
Birth Place: Norway
Age: 29
Gender: Male
Race: White
Residence Year: 1905
Residence: Bronx, New York, New York, USA
Relationship to Head: Head
Assembly District: 34
Election District: 40
Household Members:
Name Age
Herman Anderson 29
Annie Anderson 29
Edward Anderson 1
Ruth Anderson
And in 1910 with quite a few children
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 21/02/2019 : 01:31:51
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Looking at the Eidsvoldsmen descendants page, it appears that some of the male family members used the name Edwards. So here is an Andrew b.1873 udv 1891 in 1900 US census:
Name Andrew Edwards
Event Type Census
Event Year 1900
Event Place Sioux Rapids Township Sioux Rapids town, Buena Vista, Iowa, United States
Gender Male
Age 27
Marital Status Single
Race White
Race W
Relationship to Head of Household Lodger
Relationship to Head of Household Lodger
Birth Date Dec 1873
Birthplace Norway
Immigration Year 1891
Father's Birthplace Norway
Mother's Birthplace Norway
Ole A Olson Head M 30 Norway
Christine L Olson Mother F 58 Norway
Nellie J Olson Sister F 12 Norway
Andrew F Olson Brother M 15 Norway
Alfred O Olson Brother M 21 Norway
Herman A Olson Brother M 25 Norway
Dora A Olson Sister F 18 Norway
Ollie C Olson Sister F 24 Norway
Andrew Edwards Lodger M 27 Norway
Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1900," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M923-3N4 : accessed 21 February 2019), Andrew Edwards in household of Ole A Olson, Sioux Rapids Township Sioux Rapids town, Buena Vista, Iowa, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) 11, sheet 1B, family 12, NARA microfilm publication T623 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1972.); FHL microfilm 1,240,419.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 21/02/2019 : 01:43:26
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The aforementioned Herman Anderson in the 1920 census picking up the children on the Eidsvoll list who were born after 1910:
Name Herman Anderson
Event Type Census
Event Date 1920
Event Place Queens Assembly District 3, Queens, New York, United States
Gender Male
Age 43
Marital Status Married
Race White
Race White
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1877
Birthplace Norway
Immigration Year 1889
Father's Birthplace Norway
Mother's Birthplace Norway
Sheet Letter B
Sheet Number 8
Herman Anderson Head M 43 Norway
Anna Anderson Wife F 43 New York
Edward Anderson Son M 16 New York
Ruth Anderson Daughter F 15 New York
Herbert Anderson Son M 13 New York
Fred Anderson Son M 11 New York
Mildred Anderson Daughter F 9 New York
Arthur Anderson Son M 7 New York
George Anderson Son M 5 New York
Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1920," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MV3K-71K : accessed 21 February 2019), Herman Anderson, Queens Assembly District 3, Queens, New York, United States; citing ED 184, sheet 8B, line 77, family , NARA microfilm publication T625 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1992), roll 1232; FHL microfilm 1,821,232.
Herman's occupation in 1910 and 1920 is carpenter. In the 1920 census it says he came to US in 1889 is Naturalized citizen as of 1899. |
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Help needed confirming ancestry
