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AntonH
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 Posted - 23/01/2019 : 05:01:54
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And a Martin with father Ole Poulson and mother Agnette Hansdatter. But born in 1844 in Ringsaker.
Martin Olesen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Martin Olesen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 28 sep 1844
Baptism Date: 10 nov 1844
Baptism Place: Ringsaker, Hedmark, Norway
Father: Ole Poulsen
Mother: Agnete Hansdr
FHL Film Number: 124363
Reference ID: bk 30
#112
Martin O Poulson
1844–1915
BIRTH 28 SEP 1844 • Ringsaker, Hedmark, Norway
DEATH 1915 • Watertown, Codington, South Dakota, USA
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 23/01/2019 : 05:01:56
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Interesting, well documentation said she immigrated to the US in 1880, is there a list?
quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40
Here is Agnette Hansdatter and her twins in the 1865 Census
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/01/2019 : 12:25:29
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Some siblings of Peter Evensen:
Name Engebret Evensen
Gender Male
Birth Date 09 Jul 1852
Christening Date 26 Dec 1852
Christening Place NORDERHOV,BUSKERUD,NORWAY
Father's Name Even Olsen
Mother's Name Marte Helgesdr
Citing this Record
"Norway Baptisms, 1634-1927," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NHHB-C2N : 10 February 2018), Even Olsen in entry for Engebret Evensen, 09 Jul 1852; citing ; FHL microfilm unknown.
Engebret baptism #134
SAKO, Norderhov kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0011: Parish register (official) no. 11, 1847-1856, p. 106
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070314630222
#7 death of Engebret Evensen b Hagastuen:
SAKO, Norderhov kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0017: Parish register (official) no. 17, 1903-1919, p. 391
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051025040509
Possibly Engebret Evensen the brother going to US in 1878:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000436805
Name Ole Evensen
Gender Male
Birth Date 16 Sep 1846
Christening Date 26 Dec 1846
Christening Place NORDERHOV,BUSKERUD,NORWAY
Father's Name Even Olsen
Mother's Name Marthe Helgesdr
Citing this Record
"Norway Baptisms, 1634-1927," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NH5W-4X8 : 10 February 2018), Even Olsen in entry for Ole Evensen, 16 Sep 1846; citing ; FHL microfilm 124,057.
Ole no ordinal number but second from top:
SAKO, Norderhov kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0010: Parish register (official) no. 10, 1837-1847, p. 171
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051111050175
Ole Evensen in Jevnager in 1865 married:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052768005692
Ole Evensen in 1910 on Berglund in Modum:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01036472001911
Name Hans Evensen
Gender Male
Birth Date 28 Jan 1841
Christening Date 28 Mar 1841
Christening Place NORDERHOV,BUSKERUD,NORWAY
Father's Name Even Olsen
Mother's Name Marthe Helgesdr
Citing this Record
"Norway Baptisms, 1634-1927," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NH5W-YGX : 10 February 2018), Even Olsen in entry for Hans Evensen, 28 Jan 1841; citing ; FHL microfilm 124,057.
Hans Evensen baptism #39:
SAKO, Norderhov kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0010: Parish register (official) no. 10, 1837-1847, p. 64
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051111050068
Hans Evensen employee on Kihle in 1865:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038084005346
Name Christian Evensen
Gender Male
Birth Date 30 Jan 1855
Christening Date 09 Apr 1855
Christening Place NORDERHOV,BUSKERUD,NORWAY
Father's Name Even Olsen
Mother's Name Marthe Helgesdr
Citing this Record
"Norway Baptisms, 1634-1927," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NHHB-NF5 : 10 February 2018), Even Olsen in entry for Christian Evensen, 30 Jan 1855; citing ; FHL microfilm unknown.
Christian's baptism #38
SAKO, Norderhov kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0011: Parish register (official) no. 11, 1847-1856, p. 162
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070314630278
Gender Female
Birth Date 12 Jul 1843
Christening Date 15 Oct 1843
Christening Place NORDERHOV,BUSKERUD,NORWAY
Father's Name Even Olsen
Mother's Name Marthe Helgesdr
Citing this Record
"Norway Baptisms, 1634-1927," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NH5W-R9Z : 10 February 2018), Even Olsen in entry for Randine Evensen, 12 Jul 1843; citing ; FHL microfilm 124,057.
Randine #198 baptism:
SAKO, Norderhov kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0010: Parish register (official) no. 10, 1837-1847, p. 110
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051111050114
Name Aaase Mathea Evensen
Gender Female
Birth Date 16 Feb 1837
Christening Date 26 Mar 1837
Christening Place NORDERHOV,BUSKERUD,NORWAY
Father's Name Even Olsen
Mother's Name Martha Helgesdr
Citing this Record
"Norway Baptisms, 1634-1927," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NHFY-K8P : 10 February 2018), Even Olsen in entry for Aaase Mathea Evensen, 16 Feb 1837; citing ; FHL microfilm 124,056.
#30 Aase Mathea baptism
SAKO, Norderhov kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0009: Parish register (official) no. 9, 1819-1837, p. 658-659
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070314620713
As Matea Evensdatter widow on Hagavingen in 1865:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038084007856
Aase Mathea Evensdatter 1900 census on Hagaringen
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01037110004960
Aase Evensdatter 1910 census on Hagaringen:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01036462009060
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/01/2019 : 12:48:29
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Sunday News (Watertown, S.D.) Thursday 5 Oct 1911 page 5, col 6
"Ed. Simon, a former resident of Watertown and a nephew of M.O. Poulson of this city, writes Mr. Poulson from Forest City, Florida, that he is now nicely located on the Lyman Twins ranch in Orange county. Mr. Simon traveled with the Lyman Twins Theatrical Co. for several seasons and held a responsible position. The Lyman twins had so much confidence in his ability to make good that they have given him full charge of their big ranch in Florida. Ed. Simon is a hustler and will make good any place you put him." |
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 23/01/2019 : 14:25:09
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This one is really interesting and would explain how Ed. (Ed. = Because he is named in first Census Edmon, then Edmund, then Edward and went back to Edmund) Simon would have came from Minnesota to then Tampa, FL where my Family has lived ever since.
https://ibb.co/19SYMG2
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Sunday News (Watertown, S.D.) Thursday 5 Oct 1911 page 5, col 6
"Ed. Simon, a former resident of Watertown and a nephew of M.O. Poulson of this city, writes Mr. Poulson from Forest City, Florida, that he is now nicely located on the Lyman Twins ranch in Orange county. Mr. Simon traveled with the Lyman Twins Theatrical Co. for several seasons and held a responsible position. The Lyman twins had so much confidence in his ability to make good that they have given him full charge of their big ranch in Florida. Ed. Simon is a hustler and will make good any place you put him."
Interesting to notice is his Watertown Card #143
https://ibb.co/MgNqDHS
Right behind Mattie Simon Card #142, now confirmed
https://ibb.co/1XdRTBN
Question: It states an Age for 47 on this one above (1905) and 64 (1925), that does not quiet add up for me
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jkmarler
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Posted - 23/01/2019 : 15:38:01
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| The very first mention of Edmund's birthplace is in the 1885 Minnesota state census given as "Dakota" which in 1885 meant Dakota Territory which was composed then of North Dakota, South Dakota (and included Montana at an earlier date). |
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ToreL
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Posted - 23/01/2019 : 16:02:36
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Originally posted by dylankylesimon
With this can we assume that this is Mattie "Mathia" Simon was born April 14th 1861 in Ringsaker ?
I am not sure. To sum up, we have found four people (at least three of them confirmed siblings by US census or newpaper clippings) in the US; Martin, Anton, Christian Fredrick and Mattie, and we can find baptisms for people with matching names in Ringsaker, all with a mother named Agnete Hansdatter. If we can conclude that at least some of these baptisms (other than the twins) involve the same Agnete, then it would start to get convincing. The problem is that the mother's name is listed with a different farm name on each occasion, and it would take someone with a very good local knowledge to evaluate it all. There is in fact a fifth potential sibling in Ringsaker. The five are listed below, all births were out of wedlock. My own inclination is to buy the evidence, partly because of the shared Presterud-reference:
Martin, born 1844, no. 112, mother Agnete Hansdatter nordre Aanderud in Bergaust, father Ole Poulsen Stensengeie.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070110650202
Hans, born 1846, no. 73, mother Agnete Hansdatter Saddelmagerbakkeneie af Presterud, father Ole Poulsen ibid
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070110650212
Anton, born 1856, no 173, mother Agnete Hansdater Presterudeie, father Karl Frederik Svendsen
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070512980341
Mathia, born 1861, no. 94, mother Agnete Hansdatter Narholoeie, father Fredrik Christensen Herset
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070119310616
Christian, born 1861, no. 97, mother Agnete Hansdatter Narholoeie, father Fredrik Christensen Herset
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070119310529
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jkmarler
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 23/01/2019 : 16:04:41
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Yes, connecting everything, I have this as his birthday, which would match up with what you said
https://ibb.co/MZL657Z
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Originally posted by jkmarler
The very first mention of Edmund's birthplace is in the 1885 Minnesota state census given as "Dakota" which in 1885 meant Dakota Territory which was composed then of North Dakota, South Dakota (and included Montana at an earlier date).
If Peter E Simon got divorced from Mattie Simon 1900 - 1905 and Mattie Simon got married to Martin O Poulson, which die 1915, explains why her 1925 Card says widowed. |
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 23/01/2019 : 16:13:55
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Summarizing:
Are we to assume Petter "Peter E Simon" Evensen born on the Farm Marigaardseie in Nordehov, Ringerike, Buskerud County, Norway, Son of Even Olsen and Marte Helgesdatter on 23. September 1849, left Nordehov on the 1st May 1870, traveled to Oslo, which from there he went on the ship S/S Risingstar Departure Christiansand 13 May 1870 and traveled to New York and arrived there 29 May 1870. Moved from New York to Minnesota and then following the history stated in my first entry?
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Originally posted by jkmarler
The "old" version of the emigration database says Peter's ticket was paid for in America:
http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=EMIOSLO&gardpostnr=16782#nedre
16782 Oslo 0781 1870 Mai 13 Peder Ellensen Marigaardseie m u Arb. 20 Norderhov New York 1426 Norsk Bet. I Amerika Albion
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AntonH
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Posted - 23/01/2019 : 17:02:59
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Where does the arrival date of 29, May 1870 come from.
A Peter Evenson arrived 31, May 1870 on the Colorado. Also on that same ship were the two Foss girls Pauline and Bolette. All were identified as German so that part is likely wrong.
Peter Evenson
in the New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
Name: Peter Evenson
Arrival Date: 31 May 1870
Birth Date: abt 1849
Age: 21
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: German
Place of Origin: Germany
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Colorado
Here is a record for one of the Foss sisters who are listed next to Peder on the emigration record posted above by Jackie.
Name: Pauline Foss
Arrival Date: 31 May 1870
Birth Date: abt 1852
Age: 18
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: German
Place of Origin: Germany
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/01/2019 : 17:09:07
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| Peter E Simon was a resident of Minneapolis in 1927 at 2545 Portland Ave. He also lived at that same address in 1928. In 1929 Peter E Simon was listed as a resident of the Ebenezer home. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/01/2019 : 17:25:30
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This is likely the emigration of Christian Frederick Paulson leaving Norway in 1880
Link
Along with his mother, listed as Annette Pauls.
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and another girl listed here as Mathilde Pauls.
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And a Mathea Simensd. from Gausdal. ??
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From the old data base you can see all of them.
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 23/01/2019 : 17:26:58
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Following the Paid Ticket and looking at Ships which left Norway in May 1970 to New York, found a Ship Rising Star departure 13 May 1970 Christiansand, Norway and arriving 29 May 1970 in New York.
Also Peter E Simon as researched is Norwegian and not German. quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40
Where does the arrival date of 29, May 1870 come from.
A Peter Evenson arrived 32, May 1870 on the Colorado. Also on that same ship were the two Foss girls Pauline and Bolette. All were identified as German so that part is likely wrong.
Peter Evenson
in the New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
Name: Peter Evenson
Arrival Date: 31 May 1870
Birth Date: abt 1849
Age: 21
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: German
Place of Origin: Germany
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Colorado
Here is a record for one of the Foss sisters who are listed next to Peder on the emigration record posted above by Jackie.
Name: Pauline Foss
Arrival Date: 31 May 1870
Birth Date: abt 1852
Age: 18
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: German
Place of Origin: Germany
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Colorado
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Peter E Simon (1870 Immigration to the US)
