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dylankylesimon
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 Posted - 23/01/2019 : 17:31:02
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Do you got a source, so I can save it?
If not potential a Day and Month for the Residency of 1927 and 1928? 1929?quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler
Peter E Simon was a resident of Minneapolis in 1927 at 2545 Portland Ave. He also lived at that same address in 1928. In 1929 Peter E Simon was listed as a resident of the Ebenezer home.
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jkmarler
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ToreL
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Norway
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Posted - 23/01/2019 : 19:31:39
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Originally posted by lyndal40
This is likely the emigration of Christian Frederick Paulson leaving Norway in 1880
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Along with his mother, listed as Annette Pauls.
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and another girl listed here as Mathilde Pauls.
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I think this is a significant find, as far as I can see it is the first hard evidence that these Ringsaker people actually emigrated. I may have overlooked something, but it seems to be that otherwise we have just noticed similarities in names etc. between one group of people in Ringsaker and one in MN/SD.
Something else that would be good, would be date of birth for some of the people in the US. Is there one for Agnete? At FAG there is no picture of her tombstone, but somebody has registered 20 Nov 1820 as her date of birth. Would this be from the tombstone, or could it be a product of somebody's googling? There is in fact a picture at this other site that I link to below, but I find it hard to read:
https://southdakotagravestones.org/view.php?id=223740 |
Edited by - ToreL on 23/01/2019 19:32:30 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/01/2019 : 20:20:41
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| The picture is not really good enough quaility to see if there are any dates actually carved on the stone. You can email the poster and see what she says re the source. It could be as you say the result of somebody's research... |
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ToreL
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Norway
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Posted - 23/01/2019 : 21:22:21
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Originally posted by jkmarler
The picture is not really good enough quaility to see if there are any dates actually carved on the stone. You can email the poster and see what she says re the source. It could be as you say the result of somebody's research...
Done. Will notify you if I hear something. |
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ToreL
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Norway
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Posted - 23/01/2019 : 22:07:23
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I enlisted some expert help, and can now confirm that the children Martin, Hans, Anton, Mathea and Christian born on Ringsaker in Norway all had the same mother. The evidence can be found in the klokkerbok (Sacristan book ? ), where Agnete's earlier extramarital births (No. 173 1856, No. 73 1846 and No. 112 1844) are listed in the margin at Christian's baptism.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070512990008
With this, I feel the identity between the Norwegian children and American adults is well established. |
Edited by - ToreL on 23/01/2019 22:16:27 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/01/2019 : 22:16:19
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Here is a candidate for the baptism of Agnete Hansdatter born 1820. 1865 Census lists her as being born 1820 in Ringsaker. Also in that same listing is a Marie Hansdatter born 1823 Ringsaker. I would think the chances are good that Marie is a sister of Agnete.
Here are Agnete and Marie in the 1865 Census again.
1865
Here is the best candidate from Ringsaker born in 1820.
Agnete Hansdatter
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Agnete Hansdatter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 29 nov 1820
Baptism Date: 17 des 1820 (17 Dec 1820)
Baptism Place: Ringsaker, Hedmark, Norway
Father: Hans Thomasen
Mother: Marte Pedersdr
FHL Film Number: 124361
Reference ID: 2:JH9X57
#472
And here is her sister Marie born in 1823 in Ringsaker with the same parents.
Maria Hansdatter
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Maria Hansdatter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 2 okt 1823 (2 Oct 1823)
Baptism Date: 5 okt 1823 (5 Oct 1823)
Baptism Place: Ringsaker, Hedmark, Norway
Father: Hans Thomasen
Mother: Marte Pedersdr
FHL Film Number: 124361
Reference ID: 2:JHBSKT
#852
Marie Hansdatter married Johannes Syvertsen Jan 4, 1849.
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ToreL
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Posted - 23/01/2019 : 22:38:59
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| I agree. Familysearch has a baptism of Marie in 1823 with parents matching Agnethe's. Since Agnethe would likely stay with a relative, this all strengthens your candidate. (Written before you listed Maria above.) |
Edited by - ToreL on 23/01/2019 22:40:18 |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/01/2019 : 22:47:03
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Minneapolis City Directories are also available through Ancestry.com
I am not a subscriber but was able to see them earlier today when I visited a nearby LDS Family History Center. The same databases are available at many public libraries. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/01/2019 : 23:04:39
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This is likely Fredrik Christiansen in 1865 census on Herseth. Born 1793, What does the f mean in the column for Marital Status.
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ToreL
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Posted - 23/01/2019 : 23:16:37
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Originally posted by lyndal40
What does the f mean in the column for Marial Status?
Divorced. (Fraskilt.)
And the census record must be the right one; Herset is the address given for the father at the twin baptisms. |
Edited by - ToreL on 24/01/2019 12:48:05 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 24/01/2019 : 22:43:52
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At the baptism of Klara Mathille Paulsen the witnesses were Mattea Paulson, Kristian Paulson, and Anton Paulson/
Klara Mathille Paulsen
in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Church Records, 1781-1969
Name: Klara Mathille Paulsen
Baptism Age: 0
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 30 Sep 1881
Baptism Date: 15 Nov 1881
Baptism Place: Grantsburg, Wisconsin, USA
Father: Martin Paulsen
Mother: Julia Paulsen
Church Name: Our Saviours Lutheran Church
Church Location: Canby, Minnesota
Only one missing is Agnette? Oh and Hans also. |
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ToreL
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Posted - 24/01/2019 : 23:56:28
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Hans died in 1848. Burial no. 40:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070110650568
First name, patronymic, address (Presterudeie) and date of birth match. Fostersøn (foster son) is written after the name.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 26/01/2019 : 12:16:41
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A possible Marte Helgesdatter b 14 July 1814 Norderhov #15 right page:
SAKO, Norderhov kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0008: Parish register (official) no. 8, 1814-1833, p. 4-5
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070313660605
Marte Helgesdatter #29 confirmation 1829:
SAKO, Norderhov kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0009: Parish register (official) no. 9, 1819-1837, p. 790-791
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070314630035
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 26/01/2019 : 14:41:49
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So the birthplace / residences of Even Olsen and Marte Helgesdatter for each birth of the children from the familysearch index:
1. Aase Mathea on Alme eie
2. Hans on Ekli eie
3. Randine on Tandbergeie
4.Ole on Quarneberg____
5. Peter on Marigaardseie
6. Engebret on Marigaardseie
7. Christian on Marigaardseie
Aase Mathea was one of the faddernes for Christian's baptism. |
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Peter E Simon (1870 Immigration to the US)
