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David Wallace
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 Posted - 27/03/2019 : 21:11:11
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#13 out-migration Drøbak to Vestby of Erich Ingebrethsen https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/7541/294
I read the occupation as Gunsmand (translation unknown). It seems to be a common occupation, listed for others on the same page and elswhere. What is the translation? |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 27/03/2019 : 21:42:51
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| Gaarsmand, ie. Farm man or farmer. Correct spelling in 1835 would be gaardsmand. Correct spelling in 2019 would be gårdsmann (or rather bonde). |
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David Wallace
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Posted - 28/03/2019 : 01:45:09
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| I have to question that it be Gaardsmand seeing #12 and #23 are clearly Gaardsmand and distinct from #13 and #21. |
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ToreL
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Posted - 28/03/2019 : 11:46:54
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Originally posted by David Wallace
I have to question that it be Gaardsmand seeing #12 and #23 are clearly Gaardsmand and distinct from #13 and #21.
I agree, there is no d in the middle, and the first letter could well be H, so Huusmand is also a possibility. |
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David Wallace
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David Wallace
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Posted - 28/03/2019 : 16:10:11
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| I am inclined to guess that Gunsmand is military, the Oscarsborg Festning being near Drøbak. |
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ToreL
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Posted - 28/03/2019 : 17:03:27
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Gunsmand makes no sense in Norwegian. I am quite confident that the first letter is an H, not a G. You can see it is quite different from the first letter in the entry above, #12 Gaardmandsdatter, but identical to the first letter in the occupation for #35 a few pages ahead, who is a Hattemager, i.e. a hatter.
Type Huusmand here and compare. Husmann (modern spelling) is usually rendered as cotter or crofter in English. |
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ToreL
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Posted - 28/03/2019 : 18:21:35
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Originally posted by David Wallace
I wish I understood the two entries for his death (Vestby and Sarpsborg), why two entries?
What death entry in Sarpsborg is that? |
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David Wallace
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David Wallace
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Posted - 28/03/2019 : 20:35:05
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Originally posted by ToreL
Gunsmand makes no sense in Norwegian. I am quite confident that the first letter is an H, not a G. You can see it is quite different from the first letter in the entry above, #12 Gaardmandsdatter, but identical to the first letter in the occupation for #35 a few pages ahead, who is a Hattemager, i.e. a hatter.
Type Huusmand here and compare. Husmann (modern spelling) is usually rendered as cotter or crofter in English.
On the other hand, compare the H and G in #19 Hans Hansen Garder https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/7541/294
Also, the frequent occurrence of Gunsmand in Drobak only. |
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ToreL
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Posted - 28/03/2019 : 20:39:36
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The listings refer to each other, and the one in Vestby says død i Sarpsborg, dead in Sarpsborg, so he probably belonged to the parish in Vestby but died in Sarpsborg, and perhaps was buried there. There is more to read in both entries, but that is beyond me.
As my last and final response to the other issue, I will refer to this entirely parallel case on a Danish site where someone asks for an English translation of her Danish transcription (featuring another Gunsmand), and receives some help with her transcription as well. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 28/03/2019 : 21:13:40
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| I have a booklet called Scandinavian Record Extraction. It contains a section on how to read The Gothic Alphabet with examples of how the various letters look when written. Based on the examples from the booklet I would say that the first letter of the word is an H. |
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Hopkins
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Posted - 28/03/2019 : 22:48:38
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| David - Perhaps you should consult “Vestby Bygdebok: gård og grendgjennom tidene”, 2 volumes by Osvald Martinsen. There is also a set of books published for Sarpsborg, but if your man didn't actually reside there that would be of doubtful assistance. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 29/03/2019 : 01:05:37
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| I think it says that Erik died on a visit (besog) to baker Johannes Olsen who apparently lives or works at 74a Mariegaden in Sarpsborg. |
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David Wallace
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Posted - 29/03/2019 : 17:15:50
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| I thank jkmarler for help with the death record. Regarding “Gunsmand”, I found an antiquarian in Drøbak who understands Gunsmand to mean weaponsmith. |
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occupation Gunsmand ??
