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jkmarler
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 Posted - 01/05/2019 : 00:52:23
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Maybe Halvor / Albert. Fulsaas is a farm in Rollag:
Name Halvor Herbrandsen Fulsaas
Spouse's Name Barbro Kristoffersdr
Event Date 21 Jul 1863
Event Place Little Iowa Norsk-Evangelisk Lutherske Menighed, , Winneshiek, Iowa
Citing this Record
"Iowa Marriages, 1809-1992," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XJ4H-7BW : 10 February 2018), Halvor Herbrandsen Fulsaas and Barbro Kristoffersdr, 21 Jul 1863; citing Little Iowa Norsk-Evangelisk Lutherske Menighed, , Winneshiek, Iowa, reference ; FHL microfilm 1,412,084.
Name Halvor H. Fulsaas
Event Type Burial
Event Date 1883
Event Place , Winneshiek, Iowa, United States of America
Photograph Included N
Birth Date 31 Oct 1822
Death Date 09 Sep 1883
Affiliate Record Identifier 98900909
Cemetery Madison Cemetery
Citing this Record
"Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVLF-8NSJ : 13 December 2015), Halvor H. Fulsaas, 1883; Burial, , Winneshiek, Iowa, United States of America, Madison Cemetery; citing record ID 98900909, Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.
#73 Halvor Herbrandsen baptism:
SAKO, Rollag kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0006: Parish register (official) no. I 6, 1814-1828, p. 49
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051111030680
No word on Kittle in FAG under Fulsaas name. #1 on indflyttede is probably this one:
SAKO, Rollag kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0009: Parish register (official) no. I 9, 1860-1874, p. 220
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061102320694
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jkmarler
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Posted - 01/05/2019 : 01:44:21
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Halvor Herbrandson Fulsaas does have a brother named Kittle #20 b 18 Feb 1819
SAKO, Rollag kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0006: Parish register (official) no. I 6, 1814-1828, p. 30
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051111030651
He also came back to Norway:
#1 on indflyttede is probably this one:
SAKO, Rollag kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0009: Parish register (official) no. I 9, 1860-1874, p. 220
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jkmarler
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Posted - 01/05/2019 : 01:46:57
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quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40
Interesting FAG has the date and month right but the year is off by one.
Halvor H. Fulsaas
in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current
Name: Halvor H. Fulsaas
Birth Date: 31 Oct 1822
Death Date: 9 Sep 1883
Cemetery: Madison Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Winneshiek County, Iowa, United States of America
Has Bio?: N
Spouse: Barbro Fulsaas
Children: Marie Hovden
Margit Halvorsdtr Fulsaas
Christopher Fulsaas Halvorson
Thea Bakken
Henry Halvorson Fulsaas
Olavus Halvorson Fulsaas
Endre H. Fulsaas
There's no picture of the headstone so could be just human error.... |
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AntonH
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Posted - 01/05/2019 : 01:52:08
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Halvor Herbrandson Fulsaas does have a brother named Kittle #20 b 18 Feb 1819
SAKO, Rollag kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0006: Parish register (official) no. I 6, 1814-1828, p. 30
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051111030651
Does not look good for Kittil. Birth year was just to far off to be a good lead. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 01/05/2019 : 01:59:14
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Another of the brothers, from a Tree
Ole Herbrandson Fulsaas
1801–1877
BIRTH 1801 • Fulsås i Rollag, Buskerud, Norway
DEATH 31 AUGUST 1877 • Madison Township, Winnisheik County, Iowa
Probably this one. Father is Herbrand Olsen
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vivi
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Posted - 01/05/2019 : 22:06:51
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Hi
I don't see a reason why Kittil should have changed his surname to Olson. His father was Herbrand Svensen. When Kittil was born they lived on the farm Midtstigen in Rollag, but they later moved to Eiker.
Kittil had a sister Turid born 1813 and a sister Jørand born 1824 that I know about.
Kittil's daughter Lina/Lena had children who lived with their father in US in 1888. Lina/Lena was dead by then. I don't know if she had emigrated.
I don't find the confirmation of Olaus Kittilson in Eiker so it might seem like he left before confirmation. The 1920 census said he emigrated 1861 - when he was about 14 years old.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 01/05/2019 : 22:51:19
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There are 2 marriages listed for Lina Kittilsdatter at familysearch.org:
Name Andreas Arnesen
Birth Date 1833
Age 35
Spouse's Name Lina Kittilsdr
Spouse's Birth Date 1844
Spouse's Age 24
Event Date 08 Nov 1868
Event Place Eiker, Buskerud, Norway
Father's Name Arne Arnesen
Spouse's Father's Name Kittil Horbrandsen
Citing this Record
"Norway Marriages, 1660-1926," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N7YK-SS7 : 10 February 2018), Andreas Arnesen and Lina Kittilsdr, 08 Nov 1868; citing Eiker, Buskerud, Norway; FHL microfilm 278,184.
Name Olaus Kristensen
Birth Date 1840
Age 31
Spouse's Name Lina Kittelsdatter
Spouse's Birth Date 1848
Spouse's Age 23
Event Date 17 Nov 1871
Event Place Eiker, Buskerud, Norway
Father's Name Kristen Sand
Spouse's Father's Name Kittel Vebrandsen
Marital Status Widowed
Spouse's Marital Status Widowed
Citing this Record
"Norway Marriages, 1660-1926," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N7BF-8G6 : 10 February 2018), Olaus Kristensen and Lina Kittelsdatter, 17 Nov 1871; citing Eiker, Buskerud, Norway; FHL microfilm 1,282,513.
Based on the father's description as Kristen Sand, this may be Olaus:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/279/pk00000000955143
Just curious where in US the family ended up?
And there was also a brother named Svend who was born / baptized in Flesberg:
Name Svend Herbrandsen
Gender Male
Birth Date 22 Dec 1816
Christening Date 01 Jan 1817
Christening Place Flesberg, Buskerud, Norway
Father's Name Herbrand Svendsen
Mother's Name Thuri Kittilsdatter
Citing this Record
"Norway Baptisms, 1634-1927," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NWWQ-FQH : 10 February 2018), Svend Herbrandsen, 22 Dec 1816; citing ; FHL microfilm 123,950.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 02/05/2019 : 00:11:47
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Anne Martine Kristensen
birth: 13 February 1872
christening: 28 April 1872
Buskerud, Norway residence: 1872
Buskerud, Norway father: Olaus Kristensen
mother: Lina Kittelsdatter
BK17 P107 CN93
Andreas Kristenson
birth: 9 September 1874
christening: 26 December 1874
Buskerud, Norway residence: 1874
Buskerud, Norway father: Olaus Kristensen
mother:Lina Kittilsdatter
Karl Kristian Kristensen
birth: 8 April 1876
christening:9 July 1876
Buskerud, Norway residence: 1876
Buskerud, Norway
father: Olaus Christensen
mother: Lina Kittilsdatter
BK17 P172 CN96
Hans Kristensen
birth: 11 September 1878
christening: 1 January 1879
Buskerud, Norway residence: 1878
Buskerud, Norway
father: Olaus Christensen
mother: Lina Kittilsdatter
BK18 P13 CN1A
All baptized in Eiker. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 02/05/2019 : 00:58:17
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Olaus Kittlesen # 4 right page:
SAKO, Eiker kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0016: Parish register (official) no. I 16, 1860-1868, p. 579
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051118031092
There is a Hellik Halvorson who leaves in 1860 from Eiker. This may be he in Sauk county, Wisconsin:
Name Hallek Halverson
Event Type Census
Event Date 1860
Event Place Bear Creek, Sauk, Wisconsin, United States
Gender Male
Age 18
Race White
Race [Blank]
Birth Year (Estimated) 1842
Birthplace Norway
Page 135
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Horace Anderson M 41 Norway
Julia Anderson F 31 Norway
Julia Anderson F 5 Wisconsin
Ellen Anderson F 3 Wisconsin
Ann Trine Anderson F 1 Wisconsin
Hallek Halverson M 18 Norway
Ellen Anderson F 80 Norway
Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1860", database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MW9Z-P1K : 12 December 2017), Hallek Halverson in entry for Horace Anderson, 1860.
Always look at the image! on this same page, line 10 is an Ole Kittleson age 13 born Norway:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9BSF-68M?i=58&cc=1473181
Hallek Halverson Male 18 White 1842 Norway 135
Ellen Anderson Female 80 White 1780 Norway 135
Benj Allerson Male 47 White 1813 Norway 135 (Maybe the Bjørn Olson who also leaves Eiker in 1860)
Sarah Allerson Female 55 White 1805 Norway 135
Ole Kittleson Male 13 White 1847 Norway 135
One other adult male b Norway aged who might be Kittle in Sauk county, is Charles Nelson b about 1815
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GBSF-FQQ?i=3&cc=1473181
Name Charles Nelson
Event Type Census
Event Date 1860
Event Place Westfield, Sauk, Wisconsin, United States
Gender Male
Age 45
Race White
Race [Blank]
Birth Year (Estimated) 1815
Birthplace Norway
Page 193
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
William Palmer M 54 Maryland
Elizabeth Palmer F 45 Pennsylvania
Joseph B Palmer M 16 Ohio
William H Palmer M 10 Ohio
Florence Palmer F 7 Ohio
Charles Nelson M 45 Norway
Isaac F Suttle M 25 Ohio
Eliza Suttle F 22 Ohio
Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1860", database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MW9Z-13G : 12 December 2017), Charles Nelson in entry for William Palmer, 1860.
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vivi
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Posted - 04/05/2019 : 15:28:26
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Hi
That is Kittil's son Olaus "signed out" of the church-book in 1860.
13 years old and leaving home alone? I have asked if the persons emigrating at the same time from the same place are relatives, but have not got an answeer so far.
Charles Nelson born 1815 does not seem to be the best candidate for Kittil Herbrandsen. 6 years off in age and Herbrandsen to Nelson?
Kittil's father was Herbrand Svensen so Kittil could have used Swenson or similar?
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jkmarler
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Posted - 04/05/2019 : 17:27:46
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If he were known as Kittle Herbrandson I think he should have been findable. But so far, no direct evidence.
Olaus Kittleson left in 1860. There was a group of people who left at the same time he did. Later in 1860 US census all 4 are found together in Sauk county, Wisconsin. This is the same county that Olaus' later wife is from. Her father is Kittle Olson and is listed as such in census.
Earlier, I thought it possible that Kittle Herbrandson and Olaus left together, father and son since both their migration dates were in question, but it seems less likely now. Why would the son check out and not the father if they were each going at the same time?
Charles Nelson is only a possible, in the sense, that Olaus and the others maybe came to the same place as they had relatives or acquaintances. It is a very common thing that fathers / husbands go first and other family wife and children come later. Kittle is often a name that becomes Anglicized to Charles and Charles Nelson is the only Norwegian using the name Charles in Sauk County in 1860. He appears not as head of household but to be working and living with another family. There is not a Charles Nelson in the Wisconsin state census in 1865 in Sauk county. That census only gives name to heads of household and if he is working in some other's household his name will not be listed. He would only be part of a number in an age and sex category.
The other thing is the "dirty little secret" of the US Federal censuses 1850, 1860 and 1870 is how they came to be kept. They were handwritten records, which were copied by hand two times (original lodged with county, original copied to copy 1 and copy 1 deposited in state, copy 1 copied to copy 2, copy 2 sent to Washington, very few originals exist, most were destroyed) before the last copy schedules were sent to Washington. The copies in Washington were the ones microfilmed and now mounted online. It has been well noted in the literature about the transmogrification of the data in these censuses. So deviations are to be expected.
The noted migration year date of 1864 in the announcement in the Norwegian newspaper is not found in the parish utflytede from Eiker for that year, nor Lyngdal in Flesberg, nor Rollag. In the 1865 (1 Jan 1866) census for Liv it mentions that "Hendes Mand fraværende i Længere Tid." Is a two year absence a long time?
Olaus was unconfirmed at the age he left in 1860. Was he ever confirmed in the Lutheran church in US? Would be interesting to know. His conversion to Congregationalism would be an interesting thing to find out about. It happened early as he is listed as a preacher in the 1880 census and listed as ordained in 1887 (You become ordained when a parish requests you to become their pastor, at least in the Lutheran church, not sure of Congregational process.) |
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vivi
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Posted - 05/05/2019 : 11:33:34
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Hi
In the newspaper from 18 dec. 1889 it was the heirs of Kittil's wife Live Kirstine who issued an "APB" for Kittil in order to make an inheritance settlement.
The heirs included Olaus.
This is what leads me to think that Olaus did not know where his father was and perhaps never knew. If Olaus knew where his father was in 1860, would it not have been included in the APB as "last known residence in..."?
Wheter two years absence is a long time or not? For a woman struggeling alone to provide for a family in the 1860*s it might have felt so.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 05/05/2019 : 14:45:27
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| Have you seen the actual estate papers for Liv? Olaus isn't mentioned in the newspaper article was he in them? |
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vivi
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AntonH
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Posted - 06/05/2019 : 00:00:41
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Interesting case I must say. Just looking at the 1860 Census of Ole and his pal Hallek in Sauk County. I think that the boys are working on the farms of two brothers. From a Tree in ancestry the two brothers might be
Haavel (Haaver)(Hover) Anderson
1819–1885
BIRTH 8 MARCH 1819 • Norway
DEATH 6 MARCH 1885 • Bear Creek Twp. Sauk Co. Wisconsin
Bjorn (Benjamin) J. Anderson
1829–1903
BIRTH 06 MAY 1829 • Halingdal Valley, Buskerud, Norway
DEATH 25 DEC 1903 • Port Angeles, Clallam County, Washington
whose father is
Anders (Andrew) Haavelson Anderson
1790–1871
BIRTH 2 SEP 1790 • Buskerud, næs, Norway
DEATH 2 MAR 1871 • Sauk City, Sauk, Wisconsin, United States
Andrew and wife Julia living with Hoover in 1870
1870
Probably Andrew and Julia and son? in 1860 Census. Now sign of Kittle Herbrandsen unfortunately.
Andrew Hoverson
in the 1860 United States Federal Census
Name: Andrew Hoverson
Age: 69
Birth Year: abt 1791
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Norway
Home in 1860: Spring Green, Sauk, Wisconsin
Post Office: Spring Green
Dwelling Number: 1012
Family Number: 993
Occupation: Farmer
Real Estate Value: 400
Personal Estate Value: 250
Cannot Read, Write: Y
Household Members:
Name Age
Andrew Hoverson 69
Goorie Hoverson 67
Hans Hoverson 34
Looks like Harriet wife of Olaus Kittelsen is also on this page .
Probably these two children, Tree is not exactly got the birth and baptism dates correct
Name: Halvor Andersen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 8 apr 1819
Baptism Date: 25 apr 1819
Baptism Place: Nes i Hallingdal, Buskerud, Norway
Father: Anders Haavordsen
Mother: Guri Hansdr
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Name: Bjorn Andersen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 1829
Baptism Date: 14 jun 1829
Baptism Place: Nes i Hallingdal, Buskerud, Norway
Father: Anders Hoveren
Mother: Guri Hansdr
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What happened to Kittil Herbrandsen?
