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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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 Posted - 01/05/2019 : 02:29:01
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Originally posted by MarkPeter
Hi jkmarler,
Did you ever get the marriage record from Troy New York?
“No, the church was burnt down after a massive fire in the city of Troy, New York”
What record did you have that indicated Johan Carl Palmstrom moved to Kragero in 1854? “I will get back to you re this question”
It appears that Johan Carl's brother George Nicholai did come to New York City and died there:
“ No, Sorry he was born in 1848 not 1842”
I didn't find a US obituary for George, but there was a nice one in Norwegian at the Norwegian National Library site. Unfortunately it did not mention survivors, which is what I was hoping to find. There were some occasions when the sisters were mentioned usually at the death of one of their children and the women were characterized as "f. Palmstrøm"
Okay here is the leaving Arendal record for Johan #12 right page:
SAK, Arendal sokneprestkontor, Trefoldighet, F/Fa/L0005: Parish register (official) no. A 5, 1838-1854, p. 310
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060208021161
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 01/05/2019 : 02:57:02
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Okay here is the leaving Arendal record for Johan #12 right page:
SAK, Arendal sokneprestkontor, Trefoldighet, F/Fa/L0005: Parish register (official) no. A 5, 1838-1854, p. 310
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060208021161
Any guess as to what it says on the left hand side of the entry.
After a closer look I think the columns probably belong to the Indflyttede (ogsaa Børn) columns. |
Edited by - AntonH on 01/05/2019 20:49:04 |
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MarkPeter
Medium member
Australia
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Posted - 01/05/2019 : 03:20:03
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| Ok sorry guys |
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MarkPeter
Medium member
Australia
98 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2019 : 15:44:14
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Does it say in Norwegian on the very left SAU” Maybe means Witness or Writer.
Maybe Ole or Ola someone and further below maybe Ingebor someone, if that person is with Johan Carl Palmstrom’s section. |
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vivi
Senior member
Norway
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Posted - 01/05/2019 : 22:13:26
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Hi
No 12: Johan age 26 who is leaving Arendal in 1854 and going to Kragerø (as far as I'm able to read it.) |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2019 : 23:55:07
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| To me it looks like Styrmand, the same maritime occupation his brother followed. |
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MarkPeter
Medium member
Australia
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Posted - 02/05/2019 : 00:41:35
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| So is - Styrmand a Sailor? |
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MarkPeter
Medium member
Australia
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Posted - 02/05/2019 : 00:44:33
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| Sorry, on the very very far left, does it say - SAU” Maybe means Witness or Writer. Then maybe Ole or Ola someone and further below maybe Ingebor someone, if that person is with Johan Carl Palmstrom’s section. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2019 : 08:09:13
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No, there are two columns of information on the page. To the left is the column of people moving into Arendal, the column covers 1 whole page left and 1/3 of the right page.
Styrmand = mate. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 02/05/2019 08:10:54 |
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MarkPeter
Medium member
Australia
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Posted - 02/05/2019 : 09:33:48
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| ok thx. So a Ships mate ( Sailor )??? |
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MarkPeter
Medium member
Australia
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Posted - 02/05/2019 : 09:42:33
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Census district: 021
Urban recidence: 0007 Tyholmen 277a
Apartment: 02
Has anyone noticed that the MAID is a Marie ( Lorentsen ) ? Maybe a niece of nobility family member Lorentz Palmstrom, who was living at the same address 'The Family Farm" Thyholmen, 277a, The Farmhouse, Arendal, Aust-Agder, Norway, in about 1900. Maybe named after Elise Marie Palmstrøm.
005 Marie Lorentsen
H.no.: 02
Age/born: 1886
Place of birth: Barbu
Residential status: b
Family position: tj
Marital status: ug
Occupation: Tjenestepige, husgjerningen |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/05/2019 : 16:33:15
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Originally posted by MarkPeter
ok thx. So a Ships mate ( Sailor )???
Yes unless my interpretation is faulty |
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MarkPeter
Medium member
Australia
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Posted - 02/05/2019 : 23:02:17
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| ok thx jkmarler and vivi and lyndal40. What about Marie Lorentsen? |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 02/05/2019 : 23:26:53
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What about Marie Lorentsen?
Is Marie Lorentsen the daughter of Lorentz Palmstrøm. Maybe, but she could just as likely have different parents. Here is an equally plausible candidate.
In the 1900 Census she is listed as having been born in 1886 in Barbu, which is a part of Arendal. The parish records for Barbu are found in the parish of Austre-Moland. Here is a candidate.
Johanne Marie Lorentssen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Johanne Marie Lorentssen
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 19 feb 1886
Baptism Date: 18 apr 1886
Baptism Place: Austre Moland, Aust-Agder, Norway
Father: Lorents Olaves Lorentssen
Mother: Inger Marie Kristensdr
FHL Film Number: 1283343
Reference ID: Bk 1 Pg 1
#25
Here she is with her parents in Barbu in the 1891 Norwegian Census.
1891
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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9301 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2019 : 23:30:24
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One other thing that you should probably be aware of, Tyholmen is not a farm but rather a neighborhood in Arendal. Here is a description from this website.
"Tyholmen is the oldest and best preserved part of Arendal, built on some of the total seven small islands that the city spread across. Tyholmen received status as a preserved area in 1975, and has been noted for its efforts to combine preservation with adaptability for modern use. Tyholmen consists of an 'upper' and a 'lower' part, where merchants and shipowners lived near the sea, while artisans, sailors, and dayworkers lived in the smaller houses up on the hill. Today the lower part is mostly hotels, cafés and restaurants, while the upper part is still mainly residential. Originally built as a private home for one of the wealthier families in Arendal, the old town hall was located next to where the harbour now lies from 1844 till 2005, when it moved its offices to the town centre. Today, various cultural organisations have their offices in the building. This is still the highest, and the second largest, wooden building in Norway. The city museum, Kløckers Hus, is also found on Tyholmen, which is a preserved building from 1826, although the oldest parts of the house were built at the end of the 16th century."
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