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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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 Posted - 03/05/2019 : 00:00:41
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One thing does tend to trouble me about the connection between Johan Carl Palmstrøm, and Charles Peterson of Australia.
We have found a record for Johan Carl Palmstrøm moving to Kragerø Telemark in April of 1854 and there is a record of C Peterson and wife arriving in Melbourne Australia from New York on Jan 24, 1856. In those less than two years Johan Carl would have had to leave Telemark, travel to America (likely New York City), somehow travel the 160 miles to Troy, New York meet a 16 year old Ellen Cavanahh, and after meeting Ellen marry her and then leave for Australia..
The only record I have found for a Ellen Cavanagh is the 1850 US Census where she is living in Boston living with her parents.
Now that scenario is not impossible of course but Troy New York is not a usual destination place for Norwegian immigrants.
According to the 1850 US Census there were about 70,000 inhabitants of Rensselaer County. None of them were born in Norway. |
Edited by - AntonH on 03/05/2019 00:25:09 |
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MarkPeter
Medium member
Australia
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Posted - 03/05/2019 : 00:12:03
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| Ok lyndal40, i understand what you are saying, but not impossible. I wish the church marriage certificates in Troy didn't get destroyed in the fire. Didn't it take only about 2-3 months to sail to New York or Boston in 1847-1854? Do you have a link for the record you have found on Ellen Cavanagh in the 1850 US Census where she is living in Boston living with her parents? thx Mark |
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MarkPeter
Medium member
Australia
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Posted - 03/05/2019 : 00:15:56
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| I thought Tyholmen is an island, but the family might have been staying at the Family Farm in Tyholmen. Maybe" Originally built as a private home for one of the wealthier families in Arendal" the Palmstrom's???? Maybe thats why they had a maid. You wouldnt have a Maid if you were just living in a room of a boarding house, etc... |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 03/05/2019 : 00:23:42
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Ellen Cavanagh
in the 1850 United States Federal Census
Name: Ellen Cavanagh
Age: 12
Birth Year: abt 1838
Birthplace: Ireland
Home in 1850: Boston Ward 10, Suffolk, Massachusetts, USA
Gender: Female
Family Number: 1344
Household Members:
Name Age
John Cavanagh 40
Ellen Cavanagh 37
Ellen Cavanagh 12
Michael Cavanagh 11
Daniel Cavanagh 8
Patrick Cavanagh 6
John Cavanagh 4
There is a 1855 Census for New York. Should not Ellen Cavanagh be in that Census. Somewhere you have posted that she was married in August of 1855. The only Ellen I have found in the New York 1855 Census living close to Troy New York is this one. This part of the census was done in June.
Ellen Cavanagh
in the New York, State Census, 1855
Name: Ellen Cavanagh
Birth Year: abt 1845
Age: 10
Gender: Female
Relation to Head: Child
Residence: Albany City, Ward 10, Albany, New York, USA
District: E.D. Eastern
Household number: 186
Line Number: 24
Sheet Number: 115
Household Members:
Name Age
John Cavanagh 32
Mary Cavanagh 33
Ellen Cavanagh 10
Anna Cavanagh 5
Kitty Cavanagh 3
John Cavanagh 2
Daniel H Cavanagh 0
Does not seem to match the 1850 Census.
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MarkPeter
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Australia
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Posted - 03/05/2019 : 00:33:13
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| ok, but problem i have is that Ellen's mother was a Mary not a Ellen....Its written on her death certificate in Australia. |
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MarkPeter
Medium member
Australia
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Posted - 03/05/2019 : 00:37:13
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| Name Ellen Peterson Birth Year 1839 Age 63 Death Place Rupanyup, Victoria. Father's Name John Cavanagh Mother's Name Mary Registration Year1903 Registration Place Victoria |
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MarkPeter
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Australia
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MarkPeter
Medium member
Australia
98 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2019 : 00:45:18
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| Also born in Thurles County, Tipperary, Ireland in 1839. |
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MarkPeter
Medium member
Australia
98 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2019 : 01:11:06
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Would the Ellen Cavanagh in the New York, State Census, 1855 actually be 16 years old and not 10?
Name: Ellen Cavanagh
Birth Year: abt 1845
Age: 10
Gender: Female
Relation to Head: Child
Residence: Albany City, Ward 10, Albany, New York, USA
District: E.D. Eastern
Household number: 186
Line Number: 24
Sheet Number: 115
Household Members:
Name Age
John Cavanagh 32
Mary Cavanagh 33
Ellen Cavanagh 10
Anna Cavanagh 5
Kitty Cavanagh 3
John Cavanagh 2
Daniel H Cavanagh 0
Also can you send me a link for this one and the other one, where you asked why isnt she on the 1855 census. Maybe she was not at home and working as a maid. i found a Ellen Cavanagh in New York 16 years old, working as a maid/housekeeper.
thx Mark |
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MarkPeter
Medium member
Australia
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Posted - 03/05/2019 : 01:38:53
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| Ok, What about the 1855 or 1860 US Census. Were there any inhabitants of Rensselaer County born in Norway or Ireland with surnames, Cavanagh or Palmstrom or Peterson |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 03/05/2019 : 01:42:51
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They are all on Ancestry.com. If you have a subscription which I thought you at one point indicated you did you can easily find them. If you do not have a subscription to Ancestry.com a link will not do you any good.
In the 1860 Census there were 18 Cavanaugh's living in Renneselar County born in Ireland. Including this one.
Ellen Cavanaugh
in the 1860 United States Federal Census
Name: Ellen Cavanaugh
Age: 23
Birth Year: abt 1837
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Ireland
Home in 1860: Troy Ward 2, Rensselaer , New York
Post Office: Troy
Dwelling Number: 769
Family Number: 1168
Cannot Read, Write: Y
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Ingram 56
Martha Ingram 49
James H Ingram 22
Martha A Ingram 14
Emma Ingram 12
Ellen Cavanaugh 23
In 1860 two Norwegian managed to find their way there. Maybe took one of the fast trains highlighted by Jackie.
John Furgson
Troy Ward 6, Rensselaer , New York abt 1823 Norway
Maria Mfarly
Troy Ward 5, Rensselaer , New York abt 1835 Norway Female |
Edited by - AntonH on 03/05/2019 01:51:57 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2019 : 01:52:46
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The New York 1855 Census does not give country of birth in the transcription . But there is a country of birth in the original record. And maybe a person of interest as well. Note the spelling of the last name is a little different than what I was using.
Ellen Cavanaugh
in the New York, State Census, 1855
Name: Ellen Cavanaugh
Birth Year: abt 1838
Age: 17
Relation to Head: Servant
Residence: Troy City, Ward 3, Rensselaer , New York, USA
Household number: 216
Line Number: 9
Sheet Number: 28
A lot of people living there
Adeline Hitchins 36
Mary Hitchins 18
Myron G Hitchins 7
Olive D Hitchins 5
Ellen Cavanaugh 17 Servant and born in Ireland
Margaret Kelley 21 All those below Margaret are boarders
James Rice 22
Charles Bradbury 24 Carpenter but born in Mass.
J Shattuck 23
G Barnes 29
John Bevvins 19
James Dickson 17
James Stillman 24
Jacob L Wanger 27
J Clemens 22
W Desmond 22
Henry Stone 19
James Wooster 30
William Doyle 31
John McKinney 27
George Magnan 30
Hetta Sage 16
No one born in Norway in the household. Census was taken June 12,
You can look at the census transcription and the original on Family Search as well as Ancestry.com
1855 New York Family Search |
Edited by - AntonH on 03/05/2019 02:38:53 |
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MarkPeter
Medium member
Australia
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Posted - 03/05/2019 : 02:33:14
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Thx lyndal40. Yes i have an account, but not the best at searching for things, sometimes, sorry maybe due to my Parkinsonism..
But yes, the one below that you found looks great...
Ellen Cavanaugh in the New York, State Census, 1855.
Name: Ellen Cavanaugh
Birth Year: abt 1838
Age: 17
Relation to Head:Servant
Residence:Troy City, Ward 3, Rensselaer, New York, USA
Household number: 216
Line Number:9
Sheet Number:28 |
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MarkPeter
Medium member
Australia
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Posted - 03/05/2019 : 02:36:32
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| Ok, Ellen Cavanagh/Cavanaugh - It looks like she was in Troy for only 2 months when the census was done. Maybe Johan Carl Palmstrom OR Charles Peterson met Ellen in New York City earlier and moved to Troy with her for work or met her in Troy. Then they got married in Troy and in about November they set sail for Australia. |
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