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AntonH
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jkmarler
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Jdkrags
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 Posted - 17/09/2019 : 17:52:21
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| I went page by page through both the entire Houston and Fillmore County censuses from 1870. Lots of Knutson’s and a few Moland’s but no Jorgen Knutson. |
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Jdkrags
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Posted - 18/09/2019 : 16:22:41
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| I guess the other option would be to search the surrounding counties of Mower, Winona, Olmsted, and others in Wisconsin and Iowa to see if he is in those places in 1870. If not, he must be in an entirely different place. |
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Jdkrags
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Posted - 02/10/2019 : 03:20:24
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| I just checked the 1870 Census for Steele County as well, because I saw there was a town called Moland in it. No luck, unfortunately. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 02/10/2019 : 06:03:01
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| You don't know for certain when he got to Polk county except that the eldest child was born there right? Maybe he was there.... |
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Jdkrags
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Posted - 02/10/2019 : 13:46:36
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| Sort of. The Climax Bicentennial book mentioned that Jorgen went to Polk in 1871 and came back in 1873. Knut (their eldest son) was born in 1872 supposedly in Polk also. If Jorgen was the only one in Polk in that year, how could he and Asjer have had him in Polk? I’ll check anyways. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 02/10/2019 : 18:21:49
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Did Jorgen own land in Polk and if so when did he get it? It doesn't really appear that got a US Federal homestead, at least not in the name of Jorgen Knutson / Knudson. But did as Jorgen Knudsen
MN 5th PM 147N - 049W S½NW¼ 25 Polk
MN 5th PM 147N - 049W NW¼SW¼ 25 Polk
MN 5th PM 147N - 049W Lot/Trct 2 25 Polk
This means that Jorgen had to have at least filed his declaration of intention to become a citizen. His land was administered by the Land office in Detroit (now Detroit Lakes, Minnesota). Perhaps that's where he filed his intent. Or not as none appear in Becker county records at the Iron Range database.
You can look at the land on a map at the glorecords.blm.gov site by doing a search for Jorgen Knudsen in Minnesota, and checking the boxes there.
Here is the only Jorgen Knudsen in the naturalization database at Iron Range Interpretive:
First Name: JORGEN
Last Name: KNUDSEN
Location: CLAY
County: CLAY
State: MINNESOTA
Code: 10
Reel: 3
Volume: 1
Page: 74
Here is only one spelled this way:
First Name: JORGEN
Last Name: KNUDSON
Location: FILLMORE
County: FILLMORE
State: MINNESOTA
Code: 1
Reel: 1
Volume: A
Page: 150
3 with this spelling:
First Name: JORGEN
Last Name: KNUTSON
Location: LAKE
County: LAKE
State: MINNESOTA
Code: 1
Reel: 1
Volume: B
Page: 182
First Name: JORGEN
Last Name: KNUTSON
Location: Freeborn
County: Freeborn
State: MINNESOTA
Code: 22
Reel: 4
Volume: E
Page: 46
First Name: JORGEN
Last Name: KNUTSON
Location: POLK
County: POLK
State: MINNESOTA
Code: 6
Reel: 3
Volume: F
Page: 441
None as Jorgen Knutsen
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Jdkrags
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Posted - 02/10/2019 : 20:55:46
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| The two that look the most promising is the first one and the last one. Especially the first one, because that’s where Asjer and Jorgen were supposedly married (that area being the first area they came to in MN). The bicentennial book says that Jorgen had some land that he squatted on, presumably around 1871. This land was later combined with other land to form the village of Nielsville. |
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Jdkrags
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Posted - 04/10/2019 : 15:45:27
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| So if they were married on 16 May 1871 in Houston County, and Jorgen came to Polk County that same year, then that means he would have to be in southern Minnesota for the 1870 Census or possibly Wisconsin or Iowa. Jorgen and Asjer’s first born child, Knut, was born 18 Mar 1872. In 1872, Jorgen would be in Polk and Asjer would be in Houston/Fillmore. Their second born, Sina, was born 27 Oct 1873 in Houston. Jorgen would have come back in 1873 to get the rest of the family after scouting out the area in Polk. It’s a puzzle for sure. |
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Jdkrags
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Posted - 07/10/2019 : 04:24:38
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| Jkmarler, you mentioned a while back on page 3 that Jorgen’s 17 Aug 1884 death date conflicted with the June 1885 Census. On that census, seemingly random people have a line through their age and gender. Jorgen has one of these lines, but no one else in the family does. His age is the same as listed on the headstone. So I assume that this must mean that his death date is correct, and they put him on the census but recognized that he had passed before hand. I think he was on there to state the previous head of house. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 07/10/2019 : 15:29:26
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Originally posted by Jdkrags
Jkmarler, you mentioned a while back on page 3 that Jorgen’s 17 Aug 1884 death date conflicted with the June 1885 Census. On that census, seemingly random people have a line through their age and gender. Jorgen has one of these lines, but no one else in the family does. His age is the same as listed on the headstone. So I assume that this must mean that his death date is correct, and they put him on the census but recognized that he had passed before hand. I think he was on there to state the previous head of house.
Its an interesting observation, but the line is applied to every adult male on the six pages of Hubbard, surely they can't all be dead?
Here is a link to basics about Minnesota State censuses:
https://libguides.mnhs.org/census/state |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 07/10/2019 : 15:40:33
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| Have you ordered his homestead packet? Cost is at least $50 and it should include at least his declaration of intention or something about his citizenship if he attained as well. It might mention some biographical information about him and his family and how he broke his land etc. The National Archives is the holder of these records. |
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Jdkrags
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Posted - 08/10/2019 : 19:42:39
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| No I haven’t, but I looked at the page dedicated to them. Do you think there is a good chance I’ll find him? Have you ordered one for a member of your family, and if so, was it worth it? |
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Jdkrags
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Posted - 12/11/2019 : 22:56:28
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| Hi again! I was looking through where lyndal mentioned that they found a record for Jorgen Sandvik emigrating from Norway out of the port of Porsgrunn. Porsgrunn just happens to be right next to Skien, which is the port the Asjer left from. Jorgen’s record remarks, “America with Sjofna”. Possibly the ship name or a sibling/relative? If that is a spouse, then that isn’t the right Jorgen. |
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