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BShabluk
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Canada
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 Posted - 10/12/2019 : 07:40:09
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| when this ship left Norway it is named 17de Mai and when it arrived in New York it is called Bergen. this should be noted on the passenger lists. |
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ToreL
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Norway
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Posted - 10/12/2019 : 16:58:57
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Does this information apply to the 1847 voyage mentioned in the link above? That ship, owned by Christian Stephansen, completed the first Norwegian whaling expedition in the Southern hemisphere in the years 1843-1846. This 1847 newspaper notice announces a second expedition starting in the summer of that year. The ship would leave Arendal for New York with a load of iron and about 20 emigrants. The plan was to hire American "fishermen" (whalers?) in New York -- on the previous, apparently mostly unsuccessful expedition, the hired experts had been French -- but I can find no mention of this second expedition in other sources. Perhaps it was cancelled at some point, although the ship did reach New York, cf. my post below. Some secondary sources state explicitly that they don't know what happened to the ship after 1847, and already in 1848 I find one captain named Bøckmann -- also the name of the captain of 17de Mai in 1847 -- in charge of a ship named Arendal, although it may of course be a different Bøckmann.
(This post changed a couple of times, the first time to correct my initial misreading of "Newyork" as Newport. in the newspaper clipping.) |
Edited by - ToreL on 10/12/2019 23:06:11 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 10/12/2019 : 17:50:57
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| The Ancestry.com website data base "New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957" does not show an arrival for a ship named Bergen in 1847. |
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ToreL
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Norway
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Posted - 10/12/2019 : 18:56:02
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Clipping from a Norwegian newspaper of Aug 28 1847 with a report from the Norwegian consulate in New York, with a list of Norwegian ships arriving there between June 29 and July 29 of that year, including 17 Mai, Bøckmann, of and from Arendal, with passengers and iron. Bøckmann was the captain.
The late 19th century mentions are probably of (a) different ship(s), as there appears to have been a number of sailing ships named 17. Mai, and perhaps steamers as well. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 10/12/2019 : 20:27:43
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| But I think the original poster needs to give us more information about their source for their original contention that the ship changed names in the course of a voyage. Otherwise, that doesn't seem too likely. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 11/12/2019 04:17:38 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 11/12/2019 : 00:33:23
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The ship 17de Mai, F. Folehedal Owner did travel from Bergen on May 12, 1849 and arrived in New York on June 26,
Passenger list with 127 passengers
One of those passengers is listed at #72
Name: Peder Ereksen Hereim
Age: 27
Sex: M
Passenger on: Sail 17de Mai 1849, from Bergen May 12 to New York June 26
Source: NARA M237, roll #80 - Transcribed by Jo Anne Sadler 2005
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A ship given the name Bergen by Ancestry. com did arrive in New York on June 26, 1849, the passenger list on Ancestry.com has 112 passengers.
One of those passengers is a
Peder Eacksen Hermer
in the New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
Name: Peder Eacksen Hermer
Arrival Date: 26 Jun 1849
Birth Date: abt 1822
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Bergen, Norway
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Bergen
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 11/12/2019 : 00:37:55
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The reason for the confusion probably lies with the transcribers. The original record lists the ship name as
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 11/12/2019 : 00:40:03
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But the original document also has this reference to Bergen
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 11/12/2019 : 01:39:15
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The original arrival list includes 23 passengers as cabin passengers
and 100 in steerage
and 4 additional cabin passengers tacked onto the very end of the original record.
For a total of 127 passengers on the original passenger list. Same number of passengers leaving as recorded by Jo Anne Sadler back in 2005.
Why the transcribed list only has 112 is a bit of a mystery.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 11/12/2019 : 02:07:28
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Well 16 of the passengers were listed as having arrived on the ship named "17 May". Here is one.
Holon Reyneldsen Lar
in the New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
Name: Holon Reyneldsen Lar
Arrival Date: 26 Jun 1849
Birth Date: abt 1789
Age: 60
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Bergen, Norway
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: 17 May
They are the 16 passengers on the first page listed as Cabin Passengers. The other 7 passengers on the second page but also included as Cabin passengers are recorded with the Bergen group.
Here is this person on the list from Jo Anne Sadler
Name: Halvor Brynilsen Lone
Age: 60
Sex: M
Passenger on: Sail 17de Mai 1849, from Bergen May 12 to New York June 26
Source: NARA M237, roll #80 - Transcribed by Jo Anne Sadler 2005
I seem to still be off by one but I think I am ready to give up for now.
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