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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
 Posted - 13/06/2020 : 16:45:37
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| One of the newspaper pages linked to earlier mentions both Amalie Berglund and Amandus Karlsen in 1922. In the same list in 1925 only Amalie is mentioned. I think it's a tax list? |
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Kpkarlsen
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Posted - 13/06/2020 : 16:51:02
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Originally posted by ToreL
Do you know the whereabouts of Amandus or his mother between 1908 and the time he emigrated? I cannot find them in the 1910 census, and I can't see him the Barbu confirmation lists.
No, I was excited for the 1910 census to come out, but the next time I have a record of him is 1920 arrival in US.
Only thing I have for Amalie Berglund is 1908 she had a baby and was still living on Skytebanen. |
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Kpkarlsen
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Kpkarlsen
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Posted - 13/06/2020 : 17:17:23
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Originally posted by Kpkarlsen
In the original record for the birth in 1908, there is a comment but I can't read it. Also Karl Karlsen and Emma Karlsen are mentioned.
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/978/6109/96
I see "Matilde Berg : lund" and maybe "blodekjor" |
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ToreL
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Posted - 13/06/2020 : 17:44:43
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Amandus was entered in an Arendal Sailors' roll in July 1920. Only one voyage is entered; he left for Barbados in September the same year:
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/35630/188
There is some mention that he had been transferred from an annotation roll. I don't know what that means, but it absolutely common for boys to start their sailor's career before the age of 18. |
Edited by - ToreL on 13/06/2020 17:54:55 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 13/06/2020 : 18:19:50
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And here is something interesting from Familysearch. also involving an Axel.
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Originally posted by ToreL
And here is something interesting from Familysearch. also involving an Axel.
Family search also suggests this:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLP5-MW33.
The Carl Johansson Trast found in the Census by Tore could be the father of Karl Karlsen, but the Axel is maybe the grandson of Carl Johansson Trast and the son of ? Johansson Trast. Certainly the mother is not Josefina. But the farm is Hudd and the location is Tanum parish.
Axel Teodor Trast
in the Sweden, Indexed Birth Records, 1859-1947
Name: Axel Teodor
[Axel Teodor Trast]
Birth Date: 19 sep 1887
Birth Place: Tanum, Göteborg och Bohus (Västra Götaland), Sverige (Sweden)
Father: Calla Johanna Trast
Mother: Lovisa Mattiasdotter
[url=https://postimages.org/] [/url] |
Edited by - AntonH on 13/06/2020 18:42:03 |
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ToreL
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Posted - 13/06/2020 : 19:01:37
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Originally posted by Kpkarlsen
In the original record for the birth in 1908, there is a comment but I can't read it. Also Karl Karlsen and Emma Karlsen are mentioned.
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/978/6109/96
There is a Jens Karlsen as well, and all three names figure together here in the 1891 census. |
Edited by - ToreL on 13/06/2020 19:03:29 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 13/06/2020 : 19:06:01
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Not being particularly well versed in Swedish genealogy this is becoming a real learning experience.
Calle or Kalle or Carl seem to be somewhat the same name. Here is the baptism record for Oskar from the Census posted by Jackie.
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Family search also suggests this:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLP5-MW33
Birth date of Oskar from the Family Search matches this one. Actually twins as it includes Augusta as well.
Oskar Trast
in the Sweden, Indexed Birth Records, 1859-1947
Name: Oskar
[Oskar Trast]
[Oskar Carlsson]
Gender: Man (Male)
Birth Date: 26 jun 1876
Birth Place: Kville, Göteborg och Bohus (Västra Götaland), Sverige (Sweden)
Father: Carl Trast
Mother: Maja Lisa Christiansdotter
Volume: 560
[url=https://postimages.org/] [/url] |
Edited by - AntonH on 13/06/2020 19:10:16 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/06/2020 : 20:15:04
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To sum up, as much for my benefit as for the OP.
Fadder at the birth of Amandus Sally in 1902 include Oskar Karlsen and his future wife Olivine.
In the 1910 Norwegian Census is a Oskar Karlsen and his wife Olivine. Oskar was born 1876-07-26 in Sweden.
In the Sweden, Indexed Birth Records, 1859-1947 of Ancestry.com is a Oskar born to Carl Trast and Maja Lisa Christiansdotter on 26 July, 1876
Trast or Trost is not a farm name. The farm is Hud or Hudd located in Tanum parish of Göteborg och Bohus (Västra Götaland), Sverige (Sweden).
There are still some loose ends among them in the Sweden, Household Examination Books, 1880-1930 posted by Jackie the birth date for Oskar is given as 26 June 1867. Probably a minor error.
A little more difficult is to sort out who is mother of all these children of Carl Johansson Trost (Trast).
Lovisa Alexandersdotter in the Household Examination Books date 1900 to 1920. AKA Andreasdotter, Josefina, in 1910.
Lovisa Mattiasdotter in the birth record for Alex in 1887. Could be the same as Lovisa Alexandersdatter?
In the Household Examination Book for 1876 to 1880 wife is Maja Lisa Christiansdotte
Maja Lisa Christiansdotter in the birth record for Oskar in 1876.
It would seem that there is only man be it Carl, Karl, Calle and Trast and Trost and he was born 17 Apr 1847.
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Edited by - AntonH on 13/06/2020 20:45:21 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/06/2020 : 20:49:49
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Here are some records on the life of Carl, Karl, Calle
Probably his first marriage
Calle Johanson
in the Sweden, Indexed Marriage Records, 1860-1947
Name: Calle Johanson
Gender: Man (Male)
Age: 21
Birth Date: 1847
Marriage Date: 6 nov 1868
Marriage Place: Tanum, Göteborg och Bohus (Västra Götaland), Sverige (Sweden)
Spouse: Maja Lisa
His second marriage. Karl is a widower and Josefina is Andreasdatter in the original record.
Karl Johansson Trast
in the Sweden, Indexed Marriage Records, 1860-1947
Name: Karl Johansson Trast
Gender: Man (Male)
Age: 55
Birth Date: 17 apr 1847
Marriage Date: 15 aug 1902
Marriage Place: Tanum, Göteborg och Bohus (Västra Götaland), Sverige (Sweden)
Spouse: Josefina
His death record
Carl Johansson Tratt
in the Sweden, Indexed Death Records, 1840-1947
Name: Carl Johansson Tratt
Gender: Man (Male)
Age: 79
Birth Date: 17 apr 1847
Death Date: 15 feb 1927
Death Place: Tanum, Göteborg och Bohus (Västra Götaland), Sverige (Sweden)
GID Number: 100014.201.28200
Roll Number: CL1741 |
Edited by - AntonH on 13/06/2020 20:56:55 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 13/06/2020 : 20:59:55
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Some information on the wives of Carl, Karl, Calle
Birth record for Maja
Maja Lisa Krestjansdotter
in the Sweden, Select Baptisms, 1611-1920
Name: Maja Lisa Krestjansdotter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 29 nov 1841
Baptism Date: 3 dec 1841
Baptism Place: Tanum, Göteborg och Bohus, Sweden
Father: Krestjan Olsson
Mother: Anna Maja Olsdotter
FHL Film Number: 132741
Maja died in 1885.
Maja Lisa Kristiansdotter
in the Sweden, Indexed Death Records, 1840-1947
Name: Maja Lisa Kristiansdotter
Gender: Kvinna (Female)
Age: 43
Birth Date: abt 1842
Death Date: 20 apr 1885
Death Place: Tanums, Göteborg och Bohus (Västra Götaland), Sverige (Sweden)
Spouse: Carl Johansson Frast
GID Number: 100014.92.3300
Roll Number: SC-859
Some children that we may not have listed already
Alfred Trast
in the Sweden, Indexed Birth Records, 1859-1947
Name: Alfred
[Alfred Trast]
[Alfred Carlsson]
Gender: Man (Male)
Birth Date: 4 nov 1871
Birth Place: Kville, Göteborg och Bohus (Västra Götaland), Sverige (Sweden)
Father: Carl Trast
Mother: Maja Lisa Christiansdotter
Page Number: 140
Volume: C:1
Alfred Trast
in the Sweden, Indexed Death Records, 1840-1947
Name: Alfred Trast
Gender: Man (Male)
Age: 56
Birth Date: 4 nov 1871
Death Date: 21 jun 1928
Death Place: Tanum, Göteborg och Bohus (Västra Götaland), Sverige (Sweden)
GID Number: 100014.212.28900
Roll Number: CL1753
August Trast
in the Sweden, Indexed Birth Records, 1859-1947
Name: August
[August Trast]
[August Carlsson]
Birth Date: 20 apr 1885
Birth Place: Tanum, Göteborg och Bohus (Västra Götaland), Sverige (Sweden)
Father: Carl Johansson Trast
Mother: Maja Lisa Kristiansdotter
Page Number: 0/0
Volume: 836
August died early
August
in the Sweden, Indexed Death Records, 1840-1947
Name: August
Gender: Man (Male)
Age: 0
Birth Date: abt 1885
Death Date: 20 apr 1885
Death Place: Tanums, Göteborg och Bohus (Västra Götaland), Sverige (Sweden)
Father: Carl Frast
Mother: Maja Lisa Kristiansdotter
GID Number: 100014.92.3300
Roll Number: SC-859 |
Edited by - AntonH on 13/06/2020 21:16:01 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 13/06/2020 : 21:08:22
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Here is an interesting one. She may have ended up in America.
Carolina Elisabeth Trast
in the Sweden, Indexed Birth Records, 1859-1947
Name: Carolina Elisabeth
[Carolina Elisabeth Trast]
Birth Date: 11 jun 1881
Birth Place: Tanum, Göteborg och Bohus (Västra Götaland), Sverige (Sweden)
Father: Johansson Cath Trast
Mother: Maja Lisa Christinasdotter
Page Number: 0/0
Volume: 720
Karolina E Trast
in the U.S., Border Crossings from Canada to U.S., 1895-1960
Name: Karolina E Trast
Gender: Female
Race/Nationality: Swedish
Age: 21
Record Type: Manifests
Birth Date: abt 1882
Arrival Date: 6 Jun 1903
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Canada
Ship Name: Lake Michigan
Residence Country: Sweden
Line Number: 24
There is a Tree on Ancestry.com for
Carl Johansson Trast
1847–1927
BIRTH 17 APRIL 1847 • Kville, Västra Götaland, Sverige
DEATH 15 FEBRUARI 1927 • Björneröd, Tanum, Västra Götaland, Sverige
It shows that he and Maja had eight children. The youngest in the Tree is Alfred.
Ancestry.com |
Edited by - AntonH on 13/06/2020 21:13:22 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 13/06/2020 : 21:10:17
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Originally posted by Kpkarlsen
I see "Matilde Berg : lund" and maybe "blodekjor"
Blødekjær is a district/neighborhood in Arendal city centre. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 13/06/2020 : 21:30:23
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A lot of information but still no birth record for Karl born about 1869. Based on the fact that most of the early chidden ie Alfred born in Nov 1871 are listed as having been born in the parish of Kville (Qvulle) I looked for baptism record in Kville. The oldest in the Sweden, Indexed Birth Records, 1859-1947 on Ancestry.com for Kville stop at Sept. 14, 1870.
I vaguely remember in an earlier thread either here or at Brukernes eget forum that mention was made of a fire having destroyed some of the early records for Kville.
Does anyone have any information on those records? |
Edited by - AntonH on 13/06/2020 21:32:10 |
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