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halvelm1
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 Posted - 26/10/2020 : 23:16:47
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Finding Erik Christensen's parents has been a dead end for many years. I just had a breakthrough finding probates for him and first wife (Sophie Andersdatter), as well as, bapt. record for son (Christen Eriksen, b. 1770). However, all this new info is not paying off. I can't find his birth in Oyestad church books circa 1740, can't find son in 1801 census. Also, I can't read farm names to verify parish on his marriage or bapt. record for son.
Is there anything in English that would help understand the probates? Would his birthplace or father be mentioned anywhere? I would be helpful to see one typical probate translated completely to better understand the structure etc.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk20081008330803- Erick Christensen 1794 probate
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070702630502 Christen Eriksen b.14 Aug 1768
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk20081008310857 -Sophia Andersdatter probate 1784
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk20081008310858 - "" "" page 2 -1784
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070702630629 Erik first marriage
There is a long paragraph as part of the marriage record - can anyone translate that as well?
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AntonH
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Posted - 27/10/2020 : 16:36:39
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Have you eliminated these candidates from Aust-Agder.
Erik Christensen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Erik Christensen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 24 jan 1740
Baptism Place: , Oyestad, Aust-Agder, Norway
Father: Chresten Nielsen
Mother: Berte Eriksdr
FHL Film Number: 123647
A little hard to read but probably the bottom entry far left column.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070702630082
Erich Christensen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Erich Christensen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 26 feb 1747
Baptism Place: Gjerstad,Aust-Agder,Norway
Father: Christen Torjusen
Mother: Svanau Gunvalsdr
FHL Film Number: 123534
Erik Christensen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Erik Christensen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 3 nov 1738
Baptism Place: Vestre Moland, Aust-Agder, Norway
Father: Christen Hovorson
Mother: Elen Eriksdr
FHL Film Number: 123699
Reference ID: 2:2B14Z0D
This one probably married a Tone Goversdatter in 15 jul 1770 in Vestre Moland. |
Edited by - AntonH on 27/10/2020 16:55:01 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 27/10/2020 : 16:47:39
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Vest-Agder is also a potential for candidates. Here is what Ancestry.com turns up. Searching 1740 plus/minus 10.
Erich Christensen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Erich Christensen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 16 des 1731 (16 Dec 1731)
Baptism Place: , Lista, Vest-Agder, Norway
Father: Christen Erichsen
FHL Film Number: 127359
Erich Christensen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Erich Christensen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 11 apr 1734
Baptism Place: , Vigmostad, Vest-Agder, Norway
Father: Christen Ommundsson
Mother: Aasel Eriksdr
FHL Film Number: 127466
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halvelm1
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Posted - 27/10/2020 : 17:36:06
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Lyndal40
Thanks, the first one from Aust-Agder I found, but couldn't read good enough to get parents name. I Had checked selected Baptisms 1634-1927 many times before, but not after learning new timeframe circa 1740. I should have checked again when I found an entry I couldn't read. Erik had other children that died young. Perhaps now that I have some potential names - some that match will be found among the godparents and the farm names.
Question? Many Baptism records from this era have a capital "Q" generally followed by two names. What does that mean? |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 27/10/2020 : 19:15:25
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| Put up a link to the sample showing the Q. Just venturing a guess, it doesn't stand for Qanon.... |
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halvelm1
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Posted - 27/10/2020 : 20:57:30
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jkMarley
I think it's a Qanon conspiracy that some ministers had such poor penmanship (or maybe into sacramental wine!)
This random link shows a couple of "Q"s:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070702630495
also, see link for Christen Eriksen in my original post above
Following link is for Erik Christensen's first child Torborg:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070702630461
on this page I see godparents:
Laenon Elevsen, Lisvia
Jxxx Andersen, Asdal
Magnes Eriksdatter?, Lunderod in Loevia
I was hoping farm names would help with determining Eriks' parents
The marriage record also indicates living at Asdal. Witnesses below the marriage entry are Svend Jorgensen at Klodeborg and Peder Andersen at Lunderod,
Looking at possibilities that lyndal40 listed, the first one (no farm listed) in Aust-Agder seems most likely as others below don't match these farms.
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AntonH
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Posted - 28/10/2020 : 00:49:27
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This looks like it could be a sister to Erick. from Øyestad.
Mette Christensen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Mette Christensen
[Mette Nielsen]
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 6 jul 1738
Baptism Place: , Oyestad, Aust-Agder, Norway
Father: Chresten Nielsen
Mother: Birte Eriksdr
FHL Film Number: 123647
left page 5th past trinitas
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070702630063 |
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AntonH
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AntonH
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Posted - 28/10/2020 : 01:43:44
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Here is the marriage record for Chresten Nielsen and Birth Eriksdatter.
Chresten Nielsen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Chresten Nielsen
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 26 aug 1737
Marriage Place: Oyestad,Aust-Agder,Norway
Spouse: Birte Eriksdr
FHL Film Number: 123647
left side middle
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070702630051 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 28/10/2020 : 19:54:35
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quote:
Originally posted by halvelm1
jkMarley
I think it's a Qanon conspiracy that some ministers had such poor penmanship (or maybe into sacramental wine!)
This random link shows a couple of "Q"s:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070702630495
also, see link for Christen Eriksen in my original post above
Following link is for Erik Christensen's first child Torborg:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070702630461
on this page I see godparents:
Laenon Elevsen, Lisvia
Jxxx Andersen, Asdal
Magnes Eriksdatter?, Lunderod in Loevia
I was hoping farm names would help with determining Eriks' parents
The marriage record also indicates living at Asdal. Witnesses below the marriage entry are Svend Jorgensen at Klodeborg and Peder Andersen at Lunderod,
Looking at possibilities that lyndal40 listed, the first one (no farm listed) in Aust-Agder seems most likely as others below don't match these farms.
The Qs appear before female names in the list, so my guess is it is an abbreviation to indicate Qvinde or married woman. |
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halvelm1
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Posted - 28/10/2020 : 20:36:56
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lyndal40 - Thanks, I found Mette info below:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070702630063
The fact that Birthe is Eriksdatter and her first born was named Erik is best clue that I have the right parents. Some later generations lived at Asdal so farm names seem to be reasonable . Other farms named are probably nearby - will have to check.
Interesting there were other Chrestens to be found. I thought the name was just a corruption of Christen.
JKMarley - Good catch on the "Q" - I never noticed there was always female names that followed. They are just additional godparents?
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jkmarler
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Posted - 29/10/2020 : 01:10:57
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| Usually godparents are a mix of family and friends and neighbors. |
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halvelm1
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Posted - 29/10/2020 : 22:45:50
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Still curious about the note below the marriage entry for Erik and Sophie -See
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070702630629 can any Norwegians translate?
Also, after farm name Asdal there is = followed by vyvn, I believe this is an indication it is a tenant place adjacent to Asdal. Is that correct? There are other suffixes I believe that indicate the same thing.
Torborg also born at Asdal vyv?
Christen Eriksen born at Bodkerbugten (Stranda under Asdal)
Mette Christensdatter born at Klodeborg vyv?
Erik Christensen born at Klodeborg iei
Other farm mentioned is Lunnerod in same area
I can't find Lisvia or Loeovia on map are they in same area?
Farm listed for Birte Eriksdatter in marriage record also a mystery:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070702630051
Brigllop paa Lund?? (perhaps Lunnerod)
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jkmarler
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Posted - 30/10/2020 : 01:16:26
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vyv is most likely eie meaning cotter's place. So you have Erik Christensen ungk (abbreviation for ungkarl Bachelor) on Asdaleie and
unmarried woman / girl Sophie Andersdatter ditto (meaning on the same place in effect Asdaleie.)
Take a look at the entry for Lasse Wroldsen Sævelie on the opposite page. The suffix has a capital E for the first letter and is otherwise written as it is in Erik's and Sophie's marriage.
The paragraph underneath appears to be about the date of the engagement. (a) at the date given [6 Dec [1764] and the paragraph also starts as (a) so its a note about the supposed engagement. The marriage date appears to be 28 July 1765 (which is also a little strange since the marriage before and the marriage after are both dated within 1764.)
There is another couple on page 76-77 who have a small paragraph attached to their wedding also and it appears that they have no engagement date. On page 88-89 there are 3 couples with largish notes attached to their weddings. Not sure that the "defect" is the same in all the cases but a lot of the words appear similar to Erik's and Sophie's entry. |
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halvelm1
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Posted - 30/10/2020 : 22:34:59
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Maybe the notes explain delays in the marriage. Several of the other notes use the word "Caverede", can't find that in my dictionary. Also, the black spots to the right of the "Cautionisters" names are of interest. Could these be wax seals? How does "Cautionister" translate -- are they more than witnesses? Seems other terms are used in some churchbooks.
Regarding farm names on page 66 a couple from Braastad, has an = followed by what I think is a subfarm name for one, but on the next an eie indicating a cotter place. I am wondering when a subfarm name is used, whether that would indicate a Huseman with Jord, rather than just a tenant huseman?
Wondering if the v's are really e's (handwriting quirk) and should be written eie, eje or eye - I have seen those variations in the farm subscripts more frequently.
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halvelm1
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Posted - 30/10/2020 : 23:15:43
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Additional comment on my previous post.
Torborg, first born, was baptized 16 Dec 1764 just after engagement. Perhaps the hasty wedding arrangements had to be postponed to 1765 because of that circumstance. |
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Erik Christensen, Oyestad Parish
