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plnd94
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 Posted - 02/01/2021 : 02:42:35
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Hans makes a brief appearance in the Family Tree.
2 Feb 1866 marries Maren Thorine Christensdatter Vestermo at Holden Lutheran, Kenyon MN
They have one daughter Maren Hansine Hansdatter Lihme born 21 Aug 1866 Holden.
Hans' wife Maren Thorine dies soon after FaG #34624965.
Hans disappears.
Many thanks for any ideas where he came from or went to.
~~Kay
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jkmarler
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Posted - 02/01/2021 : 04:27:39
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Name: Hans Haraldson
Census Date: 1 Jun 1865
County: Goodhue
Locality: Holden
Gender: Male
Line: 29
Roll: MNSC_1
Ancestry finds a lot of Lihme in Denmark.... |
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plnd94
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Posted - 02/01/2021 : 05:48:54
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Good clue to drop the Lihme/ Limie. Minn Cemetery Inscriptions has Hans Haraldson at Aspelund Immanuel at Wanamingo buried with Lars and Gunnil Hanson. FaG has Lars and Gunnil but no Hans Haraldson. However, found Limie Haraldsen 1838-1867 - a good candidate - Fag# 62627905. If so, Hans died at age 28, shortly after his wife Maren.
Next time I am down that way, will check to see if I can make out "Hans" on the stone.
As always, thanks a million for good leads.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 02/01/2021 : 06:32:53
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I think I see Hans on there, but so much lichen on the stone very hard to say.
Name: Hans Haraldsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 27 des 1838 (27 Dec 1838)
Baptism Date: 13 jan 1839
Baptism Place: Gjerpen, Telemark, Norway
Father: Harald Andersen
Mother: Maren Hansdr
FHL Film Number: 278280
Reference ID: 2:1SK46GW
Dalby Data Cemetery has this:
LIMIE MAREN THORINE 07/DEC/1846 24/SEP/1866 70 WO 19 HOLDEN LUTH. - HOL HOL W WITH INGBORG HANSDATTER WESTERMO. NEE: WESTERMAE
There are Limie farms in Gjerpen, Telemark. Here is one which has a Harald at the top of the ticket:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/rural-residence/bf01052165002320
#18 Hans Haraldsen not on Limie but three of the faddernes are:
SAKO, Gjerpen kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0007a: Parish register (official) no. 7A, 1834-1857, p. 34
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061128090040
#38 on Utflyttede page (right side) Han Haraldsen Limie u _____ leaving for America in 1857:
SAKO, Gjerpen kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0008b: Parish register (official) no. 8B, 1857-1871, p. 373
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051011011201
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plnd94
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Posted - 02/01/2021 : 16:43:16
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Wow - good finds. I think we got our man.
Wondering why Hans was not buried with his wife Maren at Holden since he died soon after.
Minn. Cemetery Inscriptions shows burial near Lars Hanson 1825-1896 and Gunnil Hanson 1817-1886 at Wanamingo - so maybe some connection there.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 02/01/2021 : 17:23:51
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Hans' mother is Maren Hansdtr so perhaps Lars or Gunhild are relatives of hers?
Since they were married only so briefly, maybe her family being members of Holden offered a spot for her in "their" cemetery. Hans dying so shortly afterwards, care for his services probably fell to his own connections rather than his wife's family.
The daughter Maren married 1st to Nils Otterholt and when he died in 1902 the newspaper said that Nils had died at the home of his father-in-law H.C. Westermo, an uncle I'm guessing, mor bror to Maren? |
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plnd94
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Posted - 02/01/2021 : 21:28:52
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Appreciate your probable explanation about burial for Hans Limie. Seems like that early burials did not have a "family plot." Family members just buried wherever there was space.
Hans Christensen Westermo 1838-1906 was actually older brother to Maren Thorine Westermo Limie, but she was adopted by Hans and his wife Karen Sortedal. So you have correct assumption that Hans was a brother to her mother Maren Limie - although some trees list Hans as her father. Not surprisingly -none of the trees on Ancestry have correct information.
Perhaps when MarenThorine Limie died1866, Hans and Karen Westermo "adopted" her orphaned daughter Maren Hansine, born 1866.
Trying to find this "family" on the 1880 census, but no luck yet - Hans, Karen, and Maren Hansine.
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plnd94
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Posted - 03/01/2021 : 01:28:41
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Nils Olson Otterholt married Maren Hansine Hansdtr Limie in Nov 1883- Nils birth listed as 4 March 1862 Sugar Creek, Wis. But I wonder if maybe he was born in Norway instead.
When Nils died 1902, some records show Nils' father as Jacob O Otterholt, But Jacob got married in 1887 in Walworth Co, Wis. Seems Jacob is more likely brother to Nils. Jacob's parents shown as Ole Jacobson Otterholt and Ellen K Danielson.
After Nils died in 1902, his widow Maren Hansine married Isaac Jacobson and they lived in Walworth Co. Wis on the 1910 census with Isaac's mother Mary G Jacobson age 77. His mother is already a widow on 1870 Sugar Creek census. Jacobson -relatives to Otterholts?
After Isaac Jacobson died in 1934, Maren came to Minneapolis where she died in Dec 1945. Her daughter Mathilda lived in Mpls. Married to Thomas Hove, later Pollock. Name on obit M. Josephine Pollock died Dec1962.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 03/01/2021 : 03:51:27
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Well, there are a number of records which point to a birthplace of Wisconsin for Nels Otterholt:
1900 census:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9VJ-H79
Death certificate transcript:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FDM8-BJV
Minnesota state 1895 census:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQ8R-17D
I guess I was curious as to why Maren married some guy from Walworth county. But if Nils had a connection to the place she may have had a reason to know somebody else from there. I didn't realize there might be a controversy about Nils Otterholt's parentage.
So the family Isaac Jacobson appears to be from is this one from 1860:
Name: Mary Jacobson
Age: 26
Birth Year: abt 1834
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Norway
Home in 1860: Sugar Creek, Walworth, Wisconsin
Post Office: Sugar Creek
Dwelling Number: 535
Family Number: 534
Cannot Read, Write: Y
Household Members:
Name Age
Jacob Jacobson 30
Mary Jacobson 26
Sophrona Jacobson 4
Laura Jacobson 6/12
Sarah Nelson 14
Then in 1870 Mary is the head of household:
Name: Isaac Jacobson
Age in 1870: 9
Birth Year: abt 1861
Birthplace: Wisconsin
Dwelling Number: 194
Home in 1870: Sugar Creek, Walworth, Wisconsin
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: Elkhorn
Father of Foreign Birth: Y
Mother of Foreign Birth: Y
Cannot Read: Y
Inferred Mother: Mary Jacobson
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Jacobson 37
Sophie Jacobson 14
Louisa Jacobson 10
Isaac Jacobson 9
Jacob Jacobson's FAG:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/61176117/jacob-jacobson |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 03/01/2021 : 05:08:07
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There is a family with Oterholt for their last name in Walworth county, Wisconsin. Here is the oldest and he is buried in Sugar Creek Lutheran cemetery:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/61176254/ole-o-oterholt
In the 1880 census he is living in the household headed by a 37 year old Jacob Olson:
Name: Jacob ... Oleson
Age: 37
Birth Date: Abt 1843
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1880: Sugar Creek, Walworth, Wisconsin, USA
House Number: 34
Dwelling Number: 174
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital status: Married
Spouse's Name: E. Oleson
Father's Name: Ole Oleson
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Occupation: Farmer
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
Jacob ... Oleson 37
E. Oleson 34
S. Oleson 10
Julia Oleson 7
Peter Oleson 4
Ole Oleson 67
Ancestry points out that this is the same family in the 1865 Norway census on Oterholdt in Gjerpen, Telemark:
Name: Jacob Olsen
Gender: Mannlig (Male)
Marital Status: Ugift (Single)
Age: 23
Birth Year: abt 1842
Birth Place: Gjerpen
Census year: 1865
City: Gjerpen
County: Telemark
County Number: 08
Counting District: Oterholdt
Counting District Number: 0001
Enumeration District: Foss
Enumeration District Number: 005
Relation to Head: Søn (Son)
House Number: 01
Household Members Age Relationship
Ole Larsen 83
Ole Olsen 53
Sara Jensdatter 51 Hustru
Jacob Olsen 23 Søn
Lars Olsen 21 Søn
Ole Olsen 19 Søn
Maren Olsdatter 17 Datter
Sara Olsdatter 12 Datter
Karen Olsdatter 6 Datter
According to the 1900 census US, Jacob gives departure date from Norway as 1869. |
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
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Posted - 03/01/2021 : 11:36:56
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Here is a USA Wisconsin marriage between a Jacob Olson from Gjerpen and a Gunhild Marie Nielsdtr also from Gjerpen transcribed in the ELCA marriages database. The notes on the actual marriage record say "Sugar Creek'
Name: Jacob Olsen
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Place: Gjerpen
Marriage Date: 31 May 1861
Marriage Place: Dane, Wisconsin, USA
Father: Ole Jacobs
Mother: Elen Karine Danielsdr
Spouse: Gunhild Marie Nielsen
Church Name: Spring Prairie Lutheran Church
Church Location: DeForest, Wisconsin
This Jacob is born 4 Sept 1831 #156:
SAKO, Gjerpen kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0006: Parish register (official) no. 6, 1829-1834, p. 37
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051011010606
This Jacob's confirmation on 12 Dec 1847 #5
SAKO, Gjerpen kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0007a: Parish register (official) no. 7A, 1834-1857, p. 188
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061128090203
This Jacob leaves with his father Ole to America in 1859 #15-16. Farm name associated Berberg and Skilbred:
SAKO, Gjerpen kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0008b: Parish register (official) no. 8B, 1857-1871, p. 378
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051011011206
In the Sugar Creek cemetery there is an FAG memorial for Gunhilda Marie Olson: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/61176237/gunhilda-maria-olson
She is, I suspect, the first wife of Jacob Olson Otterholt. Her death in 1886 leaves him free to marry again in 1887.
Here is their family in 1870 census:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MNS8-CW5
There is only one child aged 8 in the household a boy named Ole b Wisconsin. I think this is Nils Olaus Olson Otterholt, going by his middle name. ( His full name is rendered in the church record of his marriage as Nils Olaus Olson Otterholdt and his father as Jacob Olsen and mother as Gunhild Maria Jensdatter, birth place as Sugar Creek, Walworth county, Wis date 4 Mar 1862. In the same record Maren Hansine's birth date as 21/866 baptism as 21 /10 66 and confirmation date 4/6 82 and her parents as Hans Haraldson L[ihme] and Maren Thorine Christensdtr and the two witnesses as Jacob Olson Otterholdt and Hans C Westermo, service at Holden.) (Nils is also mentioned as Nils Olaus Otterholdt in the jordfaestede section of Holden lutheran church records.)
For whatever reason, Jacob Olson and his family started using Otterholt. It might be that the farms in Gjerpen named Berberg and Skilbred have some relationship to Oterholdt. Or that Jacob Olson purchased land from the Oterholt family in Walworth county which might have been known as Oterholt farm after them and Jacob followed the Norwegian practice of adopting his new address name appendage. Otherwise, why family members used Otterholt as a surname is another mystery.
Probably Jacob Olson FAG:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/61176250/jacob-n-olson
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plnd94
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Posted - 03/01/2021 : 18:24:52
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Incredible amount of information to digest. A lot of Holden Minn. families came first to Sugar Creek in the '40s and '50s. Then later migrated to Goodhue Co Minn. Logical that there were still connections between the two places into the '60s and later.
Nils Olson Otterholt -if his father was Jacob Olson, I was thinking Nils would be Jacobson . But 1870 Census shows the family called by Olson already. Never would have figured that Ole age 8 could be our Nils. Good deduction!
Since Jacob Olson marriage in 1887 was his 2nd - then he would be the old enough to be the father of Nils Otterholt, as the records indicate. Thanks for clearing up another mystery.
Summary - 1859 - Emigration of Jakob Olson b. 1831 and his father Ole Jakobsen 1806.
1861 - Jakob 1st marriage to Gunhild in Wis. 1862 Nils (Ole) born followed by Christina, Mary, Caroline etc.
1883 - Nils Otterholt marriage to Maren Limie in Minn.
1886 - Jakob's 1st wife Gunhild dies. 1887 - Jakob 2nd marriage to Maren Nilsen.
1902 - Nils Otterholt dies
By 1910 - Nils' widow Maren Limie married to Isaac Jacobson & living in Sugar Creek Wi
1934- Isaac Jacobson died
1945 - Maren has moved to Mpls where she dies
Jacob N Olson 1832-1914 - FaG #61176250 Sugar Creek - if this is our Jacob, then maybe 2nd wife Mary Olson 1857-1934 # 61176242. Markers look the same.
Tusen takk! Kay
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 03/01/2021 : 19:12:12
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Name: Gunild Maria Nielsdatter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 23 des 1838 (23 Dec 1838)
Baptism Date: 30 des 1838 (30 Dec 1838)
Baptism Place: Gjerpen, Telemark, Norway
Father: Niels Jensen
Mother: Kirsten Gundbiornsdr
FHL Film Number: 278280
Reference ID: 2:1SK46PC
Her marriage to Jacob Olson from her perspective:
Name: Gunhild Marie Nielsen
[Gunhild Marie Jensen]
Gender: Female
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Place: Gjerpen
Marriage Date: 31 May 1861
Marriage Place: Dane, Wisconsin, USA
Father: Niels Jensen
Mother: Christi Gunkjornsdr
Spouse: Jacob Olsen
Church Name: Spring Prairie Lutheran Church
Church Location: DeForest, Wisconsin
Didn't note this before but witnesses to the wedding are Peder Jensen and Ole Jacobsen.
In the 1870 census, she and Jacob and their children are in the same household as her father in Sugar Creek.
Your folks were there at the beginning of Sugar Creek Lutheran:
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044081802241&view=1up&seq=131&q1=sugar%20creek |
Edited by - jkmarler on 03/01/2021 21:56:35 |
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plnd94
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Posted - 03/01/2021 : 21:59:45
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Great to see marriage records - confirms parents so gives another generation back. Interesting that they also came to Wis.
1870 Sugar Creek census - Trying to make out --- top of page 6
Johnson Nelson 61 - Gunhild's father Niels Jensen ?
Nelier ? 55 - Gunhild's mother Christi/ Kirsten
Oleson Nelier ? 31 - Gunhild ?
Jacob 31 - Gunhild's husband Jakob Olson
Johnson Sophie 13 - cousin, niece, or Gunhild's dtr before marriage to Jakob ?
Oleson Ole 8 - Nils Otterholt
Christina 4
Mary 2
Caroline 6
Next family - Johnson Lewis 51 - did they have a brother/uncle Lars ?
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jkmarler
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Posted - 03/01/2021 : 23:03:27
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Originally posted by plnd94
Great to see marriage records - confirms parents so gives another generation back. Interesting that they also came to Wis.
1870 Sugar Creek census - Trying to make out --- top of page 6
Johnson Nelson 61 - Gunhild's father Niels Jensen ?
Nelier ? 55 - Gunhild's mother Christi/ Kirsten
Oleson Nelier ? 31 - Gunhild ?
Jacob 31 - Gunhild's husband Jakob Olson
Johnson Sophie 13 - cousin, niece, or Gunhild's dtr before marriage to Jakob ?
Oleson Ole 8 - Nils Otterholt
Christina 4
Mary 2
Caroline 6
Next family - Johnson Lewis 51 - did they have a brother/uncle Lars ?
Sophie might be a younger sister, too. Not sure about the mother's name, based on Gunhild being Neiler, the 55 years old should be Gunhild, too. Check out the 1880 on this family, all parents are living with them then, too. |
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