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Lund
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 Posted - 25/05/2021 : 00:47:53
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Hello, is anyone able to help me translate/ decipher the birth record of my great- great grandfather? His name is Gustave Alfred, I am not sure of his last name. The translation says his father was Gustave Lunmar but that last name does not appear anywhere else so it may be a mistake. He can be found on the first entry of this page—-
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/6551/162
Thanks so much! |
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AntonH
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AntonH
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Posted - 25/05/2021 : 03:32:37
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And from Ancestry.com
Gustav Alfred
in the Norway, Church Records, 1812-1938
Name: Gustav Alfred
Gender: Mannlig (Male)
Record Type: dåp (Baptism)
Birth Date: 30 Juli
Baptism Date: 28 sep 1884
Baptism Place: Strinda, Sør-Trøndelag, Norge (Norway)
Baptism Municipality: Trondheim
Entry Number: 88
Father: Gustav Lunmar
Mother: Anna Pedersdtr. Alstad |
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Lund
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Posted - 25/05/2021 : 04:19:01
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Originally posted by AntonH
Here is the transcribed version of the original record
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000026747624
The father and mother were not married at the time of the baptism.
Thank you so much! Do you know if the last name may be transcribed incorrectly? Or what any of the other sections say? The scanned version definitely leaves some room for interpretation and “Lunmar” seems like a very unusual and rare last name in Norway at that time. |
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ToreL
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ToreL
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Posted - 25/05/2021 : 09:13:24
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| Note that the transcription was not made by empoyees at Digitalrkivet. Recently they imported material from familysearch and elsewhere, which may be a good thing insofar that you get a lot more matches, but the quality is significantly lower. To me Lunman looks like a better transcription, and the initial Z in his place of residence is nonsense; it is a clear L. I read the first part of the residence name as Lillegaard. Lillegård (modern spelling) is a place in Trondheim, and there is also a street named Lillegårdsbakken. Perhaps Lillegaardbakken is the correct transcription? |
Edited by - ToreL on 25/05/2021 09:38:59 |
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ToreL
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Posted - 25/05/2021 : 11:26:15
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| At Gustav Alfred's confirmation at Skogn in 1899, the father is listed as Gustav Lundman (#8). |
Edited by - ToreL on 25/05/2021 11:55:50 |
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ToreL
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Posted - 25/05/2021 : 13:32:55
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| The father Gustav Lundeman is probably this person in the 1865 and 1875 censuses. In 1865 his mother is a widow and housekeeper to the master glass worker Jakob Opager, while in 1875 she has become his wife, and Gustav his glassworker apprentice. In both 1865 and 1875 they were living in Bakklandets Nygate, which presently is only called Nygata. This is not the same street as Lillegårdsbakken that appears in the 1884 baptism record, but it is in the same area of Trondheim; Bakklandet. Both streets are described here. (See the meny ribbon at top.) |
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Lund
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Posted - 25/05/2021 : 16:29:14
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Originally posted by ToreL
The father Gustav Lundeman is probably this person in the 1865 and 1875 censuses. In 1865 his mother is a widow and housekeeper to the master glass worker Jakob Opager, while in 1875 she has become his wife, and Gustav his glassworker apprentice. In both 1865 and 1875 they were living in Bakklandets Nygate, which presently is only called Nygata. This is not the same street as Lillegårdsbakken that appears in the 1884 baptism record, but it is in the same area of Trondheim; Bakklandet. Both streets are described here. (See the meny ribbon at top.)
This is incredible, thank you so much! Lunmar and Zillegasbotten had been a real brick wall in my research, I am so happy to know they are likely mistakes! |
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AntonH
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Posted - 25/05/2021 : 18:35:00
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The marriage
Johanna Lundmann
in the Norway, Church Records, 1812-1938
Name: Johanna Lundmann
Marriage Age: 36
Record Type: ekteskap (Marriage)
Birth Date: abt 1831
Birth Place: Bo (I Romsdalen)
Marriage Date: 19 aug 1867
Marriage Place: Trondheim city, Sør-Trøndelag, Norge (Norway)
Marriage Municipality: Trondheim
Entry Number: 17
Father: John Pedersen Sandvik
Spouse: Jakob Opager
Nr. 17
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050610011053
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ToreL
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Posted - 25/05/2021 : 19:42:01
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| Gustav Oluf's own baptism (#44). His parents' wedding may be outside of Trondheim. In the 1865 census, an older brother Adolph is listed, who was born in Kristiansund. Unfortunately, the church books for Kristiansund for the relevant time period were badly damaged by a fire. |
Edited by - ToreL on 25/05/2021 21:08:08 |
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jkmarler
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Hopkins
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Posted - 25/05/2021 : 20:20:24
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I know that the indexing done by FamilySearch was largely done by volunteers. Volunteers sometimes had little or no experience with the types of records they were given to go through and enter into database form. They did the best they could.
I always take care when looking at indexed or transcribed records. A look at the original is almost always better. It takes practice to get familiar with old handwriting - especially from another country. And there are usually persons available online who have more experience and might be willing to lend a helping hand to get you started.
I wish you luck and may you encounter good handwriting in the old records.
The confirmation record gives a clear image of Gustav Alfred's patronymic name.
https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20060613010197.jpg
http://www.norwayheritage.com/norwegian-names.htm
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jkmarler
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Lund
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Posted - 26/05/2021 : 01:57:24
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quote:
Originally posted by AntonH
The marriage
Johanna Lundmann
in the Norway, Church Records, 1812-1938
Name: Johanna Lundmann
Marriage Age: 36
Record Type: ekteskap (Marriage)
Birth Date: abt 1831
Birth Place: Bo (I Romsdalen)
Marriage Date: 19 aug 1867
Marriage Place: Trondheim city, Sør-Trøndelag, Norge (Norway)
Marriage Municipality: Trondheim
Entry Number: 17
Father: John Pedersen Sandvik
Spouse: Jakob Opager
Nr. 17
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050610011053
Thank you! Is it Johanna’s father that is listed as John Pedersen Sanvik? And Lundmann would have been her married name from her first husband? |
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Lund
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Posted - 26/05/2021 : 02:00:16
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Originally posted by Hopkins
I know that the indexing done by FamilySearch was largely done by volunteers. Volunteers sometimes had little or no experience with the types of records they were given to go through and enter into database form. They did the best they could.
I always take care when looking at indexed or transcribed records. A look at the original is almost always better. It takes practice to get familiar with old handwriting - especially from another country. And there are usually persons available online who have more experience and might be willing to lend a helping hand to get you started.
I wish you luck and may you encounter good handwriting in the old records.
The confirmation record gives a clear image of Gustav Alfred's patronymic name.
https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20060613010197.jpg
http://www.norwayheritage.com/norwegian-names.htm
Thank you so much! The handwriting is very hard for me to decipher still. |
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