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halvelm1
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 Posted - 04/05/2022 : 20:05:43
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I found the listing for Marthin Nicolaisen in the index and located this page based on patent no. 2156. Huseland and DOB check out.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/ru20090317690711
What is this telling me? There seems to be only one ship listed. This must be when he first went to sea. Will the patent No. help me find more information elsewhere? |
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jkmarler
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halvelm1
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Posted - 05/05/2022 : 23:31:07
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According to the Sailor Register article, information the 6th column is supposed to be Rode-No. and it has #712 which I assume will help locate info on another roll. The 7th column has "Fri", not a date?
The information written across columns 11-16 is probably the most important, can anyone decipher it? The first Col. is Basilone- maybe a ships name, after that is possibly a Nyt York. Does this indicate the trip was not completed? |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 08/05/2022 : 08:23:07
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"Basilone" is the destination for the ship, which name I read as Emma...?
Could it be Brasil? Previously also written as Brasillien.
After that I think it reads "rømt i New York", ie. escaped in New York |
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jkmarler
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halvelm1
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Posted - 09/05/2022 : 02:25:21
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| Escaped would mean jumped ship I assume. Would this mean he jumped ship on first voyage? |
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halvelm1
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Posted - 09/05/2022 : 20:06:52
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Martin's record in the Sjøfartsannotasjonsrulle (youngster roll) gives no clue to the ship's name:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/ru20090312630364
If it was the Emma built in 1866 it was on one of it's first voyages with Martin in 1868. Since it is homeported in Tonsberg, not Arendal I have some doubt. |
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halvelm1
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Posted - 10/05/2022 : 19:40:44
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I found the Emma in Drammen district mongstrings journal:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/ru20090420630411
The date is 3/22/1881, there is info on the ship under column headed Draegtighed, maybe displacement or length? : 370/90
Is this the same ship? |
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ToreL
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Posted - 11/05/2022 : 00:50:33
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Did you link to the right page? I don't find Emma.
I believe drektighet is the volume of a ship. Total volume or cargo capacity. ("Tonnage" ?) |
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halvelm1
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Posted - 11/05/2022 : 01:16:29
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Oops. Here is correct link for the Emma reference. There is another voyage for Emma on that rolle too.:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/ru20090420630379
The other link was for Halvor Halvorsen, Patent No. 2752. I can't find information under that no. to see if he is the right guy.
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Borge
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Posted - 18/05/2022 : 00:33:17
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| I read the record as if he jumped ship in New York in 1868. He was assigned to the ship Emma on November 15th 1867, the ship was sailing for "Barcellona". Contemporary sources show a ship Emma mastered by Capt Gundersen arriving Cagliari from Barcelona on Feb. 16th 1868. Sources also show the Emma, capt. Gundersen departing Bordeaux for New York on Sept. 15th, arriving New York on Nov. 11th 1868. |
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halvelm1
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Posted - 18/05/2022 : 17:47:08
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Thanks Borge
Do you think this Emma was same as either of the ships homeported in Tonsberg and Drammen, or a different ship from Kristiansand?
I wonder if this is a case of a seaman looking for better pay on U.S. ships, or someone looking to immigrate to U.S. that was then westward bound from NY. He has proven hard to find. His younger brothers all jumped ship in New York almost 20 years later and settled in NY. They changed name from Nicolaisen to Thompson. I don't know if he could have been first one to make that name change.
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halvelm1
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Posted - 18/05/2022 : 17:56:16
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| There is a Hans Christian Gundersen on the Emma from Drammen as ship's carpenter., but don't see the skipper listed. |
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Borge
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Posted - 18/05/2022 : 20:34:55
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quote:
Originally posted by halvelm1
Thanks Borge
Do you think this Emma was same as either of the ships homeported in Tonsberg and Drammen, or a different ship from Kristiansand?
I wonder if this is a case of a seaman looking for better pay on U.S. ships, or someone looking to immigrate to U.S. that was then westward bound from NY. He has proven hard to find. His younger brothers all jumped ship in New York almost 20 years later and settled in NY. They changed name from Nicolaisen to Thompson. I don't know if he could have been first one to make that name change.
I believe the homeport of this ship was Laurvig (Larvik). The captain was G. Gundersen. |
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Hoverulle Arendal No.12 1868-1855
