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ToreL
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 Posted - 02/09/2022 : 15:23:47
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| This (#7, left) could be Gunder's burial. Address Vaterland, and I believe it says former soldier. Also he was given some extra years in his funeral record. Date of death January 14, 1849. |
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ToreL
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Posted - 02/09/2022 : 19:37:55
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| Back to Odalen/Strøm; Anton found the burial of one Ole Syversen at øvre Hærnes eiet in April of 1804. If this was indeed Gunder's father from the 1798 baptism and the one found at the 1801 census, his widow would be left wift several small children and would need to remarry quickly. The name of Ole Syversen's wife in 1801 was Marthe Hansdatter, and ineed there is a marriage in December of the same year between the widow Marthe Hansd. and one Ole Embretsen at Hærnes: Link This suggests that Gunder would grow up at Hærnes and hence be inclined to adopt the name. |
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johanAronsen63
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Posted - 03/09/2022 : 09:23:15
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| And Berthe Cecilie (sometimes just Cecilia) Olsdatter’s family? I haven’t found any leads on her upbringing and her parents. |
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
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Posted - 04/09/2022 : 01:22:31
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Originally posted by johanAronsen63
And Berthe Cecilie (sometimes just Cecilia) Olsdatter’s family? I haven’t found any leads on her upbringing and her parents.
Long, long shot from 1801 census, not a good match to 1779 birth date:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058346002275 |
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ToreL
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Posted - 04/09/2022 : 19:59:46
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Originally posted by jkmarler
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Originally posted by johanAronsen63
And Berthe Cecilie (sometimes just Cecilia) Olsdatter’s family? I haven’t found any leads on her upbringing and her parents.
Long, long shot from 1801 census, not a good match to 1779 birth date:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058346002275
I believe we have two sources for Berthe Cecilie's year of birth; 29 years old at the marriage in 1822 and 63 years old at her death in 1842, giving the estimates 1793 and 1779 for her year of birth. In any such case I would give more weight to the info given at the wedding. In addition, the 1779 estimate seems a little implausible to me, as she gave birth in 1831, 52 years old according to the 1779 estimate. Such things do happen today, but I cannot recall having seen a single example of it in the 1800s.
So I think 12 years old in 1801 makes good sense. The problem, of course, is Stavanger. I do think we may need to look outside of Oslo/Christiania (I was able to find the baptisms of all the Berthe Olsdatters in Oslo at the 1801 census who were born between 1780 and 1799, and none of them had the Cecilia added to Berthe), but Stavanger is, as you say, a long shot. |
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johanAronsen63
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Posted - 06/09/2022 : 21:08:33
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Recently I did a DNA test, and I found out that it listed the different regions of my Norwegian heritage. The counties that were listed are: Innlandet, Viken, Oslo, Rogaland, and Vestland. The first three that were named clearly had a particular significance because I could correlate those areas to the areas where my ancestors were born. But, conversely, the last two counties could not be traced to any of my ancestors, which I found weird.
If we were correct, then Berthe Cecilie’s birth in Stavanger wouldn’t be so far off, at least according to my DNA. But, I’d like to know if there are any other “Berthe Cecilie” births in other places in Norway at the same time.
Tell me what you think. |
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johanAronsen63
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Posted - 06/09/2022 : 22:46:11
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| Also, I’ve been trying to find out Karen Lovise Øhrn (Nilsdt Eliesen)’s parents. She was 63 at her death in 1847 (according to the document), born in 1784 presumably. |
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ToreL
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Posted - 06/09/2022 : 23:21:38
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| Some church books have been lost or destroyed in various ways, and not all the extant ones have been properly transcribed, so even if your search only returns one Berthe Cecilia, that doesn't mean she's the one you're looking for. That said, there is also the possibility hat she was a Swede. Not less likely than coming over from the West coast, I think. But if your DNA has a Rogaland mark on it, then perhaps. I don't know enough about DNA to say anything about how reliable this sort of localisation is. |
Edited by - ToreL on 07/09/2022 11:09:31 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 08/09/2022 : 13:02:50
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Berthe Cecelia from Stavanger's father in 1803:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/215/pp00000000040181
This may be a coincidental finding but there is an Ole Thorsen in the Silver Tax in 1816 database from Anda in Klep:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/98/gt00000000183086
Marriage of sister Maren Elisabeth last marriage left page:
Domkirken sokneprestkontor, SAST/A-101812/001/30/30BA/L0006: Parish register (official) no. A 6, 1783-1815, p. 208
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070625660558
The name carries on. Probable sister of Berthe C who also has a daughter named Berthe Cecelia:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038196003150
#69 namesake niece Bertha Cecelia birth / baptism:
Domkirken sokneprestkontor, SAST/A-101812/001/30/30BA/L0008: Parish register (official) no. A 8, 1816-1821, p. 34
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070625670064
The sister Maren Elisabeth's family in 1875:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052234003257
Probably the sister's death in 1882:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000004809129
Death notice from newspaper:
https://www.nb.no/items/8b8a782058eed0ae56693d34c1a617bf?page=1&searchText=%22maren%20anda%22
Family tree info for Ole Torresen and Berthe Larsdtr:
https://www.nb.no/items/93f7a7d7679b5558692b44df92b46a90?page=159&searchText=%22ole%20t%C3%B8rresen%20anda%22
possibly the Elias Olsen Berg living with Maren Elisabeth in 1865, note father's farm name:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000009169062
Death / Burial of Ole Torresen Anda #131:
Domkirken sokneprestkontor, SAST/A-101812/001/30/30BA/L0009: Parish register (official) no. A 9, 1821-1832, p. 446
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070625670461
Not sure but if Grethe could be Gitlaug 4th marriage from top of right hand page:
Domkirken sokneprestkontor, SAST/A-101812/001/30/30BA/L0006: Parish register (official) no. A 6, 1783-1815, p. 186
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070625660536
It appears that Grethe = Gitlou baptism of a daughter #125
Domkirken sokneprestkontor, SAST/A-101812/001/30/30BB/L0007: Parish register (copy) no. B 7, 1791-1813, p. 198
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070104350697
Gitloug has another daughter Sidsel #45
Domkirken sokneprestkontor, SAST/A-101812/001/30/30BA/L0008: Ministerialbok nr. A 8, 1816-1821, s. 91
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070625670121
Gitloug has a son Eilier #57"
Domkirken sokneprestkontor, SAST/A-101812/001/30/30BB/L0008: Klokkerbok nr. B 8, 1816-1821, s. 25
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070104350789
Berthe Cecilia's birth / baptism # 5
Domkirken sokneprestkontor, SAST/A-101812/001/30/30BB/L0004: Parish register (copy) no. B 4, 1752-1790, p. 218
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070104350447
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johanAronsen63
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Posted - 12/02/2023 : 00:41:36
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| Are there any leads on Berthe Cecilie (Cecilia)'s birth location or parents? Where can I search to find out info? The Stavanger birth seems a bit farfetched, but who knows... |
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 12/02/2023 : 03:39:51
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Originally posted by johanAronsen63
Are there any leads on Berthe Cecilie (Cecilia)'s birth location or parents? Where can I search to find out info? The Stavanger birth seems a bit farfetched, but who knows...
#5 Parents of Berthe: Ole Torressen; Birthe Larsdatter
Location: Domkirken, Stavanger, Rogaland, Norway
Here are some more leads according to Family Search (https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/M2QG-C2B).
Perhaps Jackie and/or ToreL can double-check this for you. I am not in particular good at reading or finding these old documents:
1801 Norway Census:https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058346002271
Scan: https://ibb.co/1sCnGh6
Shows Father: Ole Tørresen Anda (46), which places his birth year at an estimated 1755
Shows Mother: Berthe Larsdatter (45), which places her birth year at an estimated 1756
Shows Berthe Seselia Olsdatter (12), which should match above Berthe
Birth/Baptism
Name Ole
Sex Male
Christening Date 13 Jul 1755
Christening Place Time, Rogaland, Norway Geneanet: Ole Tørresson Taksdal Hoyland 13 Jul 1755 - Høyland, Time, Rogaland, Norge
Father's Name Torres Olsen
Father's Sex Male
Mother's Name Gitlaog Eriksdtr
Mother's Sex Female
Event Type Christening
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NCDT-T5F - Can't find the original record for this, maybe in here Høyland parish https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/15795/48851/11, Time parish Born and Baptised only 1725-1741
#131 Death: 6 Aug, Burial: 11 Aug 1827, Ole Tørresen Anda 82 Stavanger No. 2
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/15879/254
Father of Ole: Tørres Olsen Taksdal
Birth/Baptism: Around 1725 Time, Rogaland, Norway Geneanet: Tørres Olsson Høyland (Taksdal) Born: 11 Jan 1725 Taksdal, Time, Rogaland, Norge, Baptism: 1 Nov 1725 Time, Rogaland, Norge - Maybe somewhere in here Time parish https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/15897/49248/1 or https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/15793/48842/65
Death: 20 May 1805 Time, Rogaland, Norway
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000001190297 - Can't find the original record for this in Høyland parish or Time parish
Mother of Ole: Gitlaug Eriksdatter Aasen
Birth/Baptism: 29 Sep 1730 Time, Rogaland, Norway
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NCDP-HZC - Maybe somewhere in Time parish here https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/15897/49248/4
Mother: Berta Larsdatter
Birth/Baptism: Around 1755 Klepp, Rogaland, Norway - Can't find a Klepp parish
Death: 15 Jun 1835 Rogaland, Norway - Can't find it
Father: Lars Mikkelson
Birth/Baptism: Around 1704 Vashus, Klepp, Rogaland, Norway
Death: Gudmestad, Rogaland, Norway
Mother: Berta Ommundsen
Birth/Baptism: Around 1707 Klepp, Rogaland, Norway
Death: 13 Jan 1767 Gudmestad, Rogaland, Norway |
Edited by - dylankylesimon on 12/02/2023 05:27:41 |
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AntonH
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AntonH
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Posted - 12/02/2023 : 05:03:36
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Berthe Seselia Olsdatter
in the 1801 Norway Census
Name: Berthe Seselia Olsdatter
Gender: Kvinnelig
Marital Status: Gift (Married)
Age: 12
Birth Year: abt 1789
Census year: 1801
City: Stavanger
County: Rogaland
County Number: 11
Counting District: Øvre Strandgaden
Counting District Number: 0375
Enumeration District Number: 001
Relation to Head: Deres døttre
House List Number: No 439
House Number: 01
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Ole Tørresen Anda
46 Husbonde
Berthe Larsdatter
45 Hans Hustru
Ole Olsen
11 Deres sønner
Elias Olsen
5 Deres sønner
Berthe Seselia Olsdatter 12 Deres døttre
Maren Elisabeth Olsdatter
8 Deres døttre
Tørres Olsen
17 Deres søn (Son)
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/464971:61749 |
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johanAronsen63
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Johan’s genealogical study
