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jkmarler
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johanAronsen63
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 Posted - 21/02/2023 : 00:32:29
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| Yeah, it’s probably not her… |
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johanAronsen63
Junior member
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Posted - 05/04/2023 : 05:53:28
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| I recently found a record for Karen Lovise Nilsdatter Eliasen in which I believe it’s a baptismal record for her daughter. In the record though, the parents are listed as Nils Olsen Ørn and Erich (?) Eliasen. Her daughter was Nielsine, born on September 11 1829. The baptism is for February 27 1830. |
Edited by - johanAronsen63 on 05/04/2023 05:54:28 |
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ToreL
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Posted - 05/04/2023 : 13:34:41
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Originally posted by johanAronsen63
I recently found a record for Karen Lovise Nilsdatter Eliasen in which I believe it’s a baptismal record for her daughter. In the record though, the parents are listed as Nils Olsen Ørn and Erich (?) Eliasen. Her daughter was Nielsine, born on September 11 1829. The baptism is for February 27 1830.
Is this (#10, right) the record? The mother's first name is hard to read, but is rendered as Lovise here: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051116020844
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/255/pd00000038759256 |
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ToreL
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jkmarler
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Posted - 05/04/2023 : 14:01:08
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| Nielsine was mentioned earlier in Johan's #3. |
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johanAronsen63
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Posted - 08/04/2023 : 01:34:52
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| And, the fact that at some points she'd use Eliesen or Nilsdatter (or both) is confusing... |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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7790 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2023 : 12:43:55
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Niels Evensen Eleison in Kongsberg:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/27/pa00000000551360
In 1801 census Trondheim:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-53V2-22YX?cc=3733603&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A8Y9Y-QZ3Z
Marriage of Susanna and Niels Evensen Eliesen 1784 Trondheim:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N7TF-L3F
1815 census Trondheim Susanna as Evensdatter with son and living with son-in-law Andreas Froseth and his wife and child in Bakkelandet:
SAT, Folketelling 1815 for 1601 Trondheim kjøpstad (avskrift), 1815, s. 332
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/ft20110309640332
So daughter Kristi isn't with them in 1815.
Susanna's death notice 1826:
https://www.nb.no/items/79d65a527ce9640caae2d0f9c42ee568?page=1&searchText=%22susanna%20evensen%22
#7 Susanna death / funeral Bakkelandet
Ministerialprotokoller, klokkerbøker og fødselsregistre - Sør-Trøndelag, SAT/A-1456/604/L0182: Parish register (official) no. 604A03, 1818-1850, p. 12
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070918660425
Else Marie child of Niels Evensen Eleison:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000000672031
#108 Else Marie death:
Ministerialprotokoller, klokkerbøker og fødselsregistre - Sør-Trøndelag, SAT/A-1456/601/L0084: Klokkerbok nr. 601C02, 1856-1881
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070921650368
Kirsti daughter of Niels Evensen and Susanna Mikelborg bapt 12 Mar 1786
near middle of right page:
Ministerialprotokoller, klokkerbøker og fødselsregistre - Sør-Trøndelag, SAT/A-1456/604/L0180: Parish register (official) no. 604A01, 1780-1797, p. 69-70
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070918640606
The theme here is that there was a family in Kongsberg who had some difficulty separating Eleisen from other patronymics and there was a Niels in the family who ended up living in Trondheim. The hope was Niels might have had a daughter named Karen but so far the two known daughters have been named Kirsti in her baptism and in 1801 census and Else Marie in other records as well as 1801 census.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 08/04/2023 : 13:45:42
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Karen Lovise's dodsfallsprotokol, third from bottom left page:
Kongsberg byfogd, SAKO/A-84/H/Ha/L0002: Dødsfallsprotokoll, 1837-1891
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk60074357000030
Nils Ohrn's dodsfallsprotokol first entry left page:
Kongsberg byfogd, SAKO/A-84/H/Ha/L0001: Dødsfallsprotokoll, 1825-1839
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk60074356000017
Not sure these hav been posted before.
There was apparently some kind of Tax census 1840 in Kongsberg and the last three ____73, _____74, ______75 might be Karen Lovise and two of her children. Birth years for the two children seem to be off a bit (Jorgen b 1826 and Nielsine b 1829) but gives a birth year for the painter's widow of 1783.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/109/gc00000000510699
#63 death of Nielsine Ohrn
Kongsberg kirkebøker, SAKO/A-22/G/Ga/L0002: Klokkerbok nr. 2, 1839-1858, s. 552-553
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051116011158
2nd entry up from bottom right page Nielsine Nielsdatter Orn
Kongsberg byfogd, SAKO/A-84/H/Ha/L0002: Dødsfallsprotokoll, 1837-1891
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk60074357000035
Marriage of Hans Elias Orn # 34
Kongsberg kirkebøker, SAKO/A-22/F/Fa/L0009: Ministerialbok nr. I 9, 1839-1858, s. 460-461
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051116010274
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 09/04/2023 : 16:40:43
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Jorgen Ohrn
in 1865 in Drammen:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038080005546
in 1870 in Drammen:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01053330010723
In 1875 in Drammen:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052110007558
#28 birth baptism Johanne Caroline Ohrn
Bragernes kirkebøker, SAKO/A-6/F/Fb/L0003: Ministerialbok nr. II 3, 1860-1868, s. 151
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051125020156
Jorgen in 1885 Drammen, lots of variation in his age living in the same building as his daughter, son-in-law and grandbabies:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01053263001701
SAKO, Folketelling 1885 for 0602 Drammen kjøpstad, 1885, s. 1610
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/ft20080519680297
As a widow Johanne Caroline has a baby #3 Asla (Asta?) Johanne
Strømsø kirkebøker, SAKO/A-246/F/Fb/L0006: Ministerialbok nr. II 6, 1879-1910, s. 50
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060608030321
In 1891 Johanne Karoline Hoff living in Oslo:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052721093839
1892 social service census?
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/51/pc00000004699061
Johanne's daughter Ester Hoff in Oslo in 1900:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01037136000452
Possibly Ester Hoff's death 10 Aug 1906:
https://www.nb.no/items/690bf015804c8f7ba3228d4c08f324bb?page=1&searchText=%22ester%20%20hoff%20%22
#42 death /funeral of Esther Hoff:
Johannes prestekontor Kirkebøker, SAO/A-10852/F/Fa/L0008: Ministerialbok nr. 8, 1897-1917, s. 153
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060227020160
Social service index on Esther Hoff last entry under 319:
Fattigvesenet, OBA/A-20045/H/Hd/L0003: Manntallsprotokoll. Mnr. 1-500, 1887-1897, s. 412
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/od19017000000412
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johanAronsen63
Junior member
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Posted - 23/04/2023 : 04:06:04
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| Apparently Laurine Martine Gundersdatter Øhrn (b. 1822 - d. 1896) is buried in Vår Frelsers Gravlund. I’ve noticed that that part of the family (the Øhrn side which I’m descended from) has a couple of graves in that prestigious cemetery. I wonder if my ancestors had to have some sort of prestige themselves to be buried there and if it was common for families to be buried there. Here’s a link to Laurine’s grave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/252353985 |
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ToreL
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Posted - 23/04/2023 : 20:46:54
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From what I read in the piece on Vår Frelsers Gravlund on Wikipedia, part of the cemetary has been used to bury dignitary personages since the early nineteen hundreds. Being buried there in 1896, I believe signifies primarily that you were affluent, as a grave there was more costly than in the other Oslo cemeteries.
There is a Norwegian counterpart to find-a-grave which covers the majority of Norwegian cemeteries. Curiously, I do not find Laurine Martine's grave there. (Unsuccessful search) Find-a-grave is very specific about the location of her grave, however, so it would be worth the effort to check the next time in Oslo. |
Edited by - ToreL on 23/04/2023 21:42:09 |
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dylankylesimon
Senior member
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Posted - 24/04/2023 : 01:49:54
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Well, I cannot speak to Laurine Martine Øhrn, however the graves for
Haakon Christoffer Øhrn
Johanna Marie Øhrn
Carl Oscar Øhrn
are at Tønsberg gamle, Tønsberg, Vestfold og Telemark
https://slektogdata.no/gravminner/grav/460a9cf3-e699-40a2-ac52-827c3ed8c7ce
Unlike in the USA, in Norway and Germany, a gravesite can be reused because of limited land. This was the case for my 3rd great-grandaunt in Ringerike, Norway, so there might just not be a grave anymore. However, at the same time, not all of the headstones are indexed on the website, so I reached out to the church specifically via email. If you'd like me to do that in your case, just let me know. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 24/04/2023 : 02:57:59
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Search here for Oslo burials which have continued the payment upkeep of the burial:
https://www.begravdeioslo.no/sok
Here is a Martine Louise Ohrn from their list of names and who is buried in the same plot:
Gravnr: 01.018.09.007 Vår Frelsers gravlund
Handelsreisende Carl Oscar Øhrn
00.00.1861 - 00.08.1892
Gravlagt: 11.08.1892
Fru Martine Louise Øhrn
00.00.1823 - 00.03.1896
Gravlagt: 31.03.1896
Frk. Petra Oline Hendriksen
10.05.1883 - 08.08.1943
Gravlagt: 12.08.1943
Revisor Hans Otto Hendriksen
07.10.1879 - 01.04.1955
Gravlagt: 18.08.1955
Frk. Dagmar Hendriksen
05.01.1869 - 12.12.1965
Gravlagt: 09.06.1966
Hans, Petra and Dagmar are listed in this family and whose mother was Bernhardine Ohrn, who was a daughter of Ole and Martine Ohrn:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01053284003526 |
Edited by - jkmarler on 25/04/2023 15:31:27 |
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johanAronsen63
Junior member
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Posted - 24/04/2023 : 22:00:03
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quote:
Originally posted by dylankylesimon
However, at the same time, not all of the headstones are indexed on the website, so I reached out to the church specifically via email. If you'd like me to do that in your case, just let me know.
Yes, it'd be so helpful if you could try. Unless you'd like to send me the email address and I could do it myself... |
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