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AntonH
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Posted - 19/09/2022 :  22:48:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I would like to trace this mans family back further in time.

1801 Census has he and his wife Helena Larsdatter and his mother Gunhild Jonsdattter.

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058203001387

A family tree on Ancestry has these people for his mother and father.

Ole Halvorsen Elgetun
1717–1788
BIRTH ABT 1717 • Naeringsrud, Eidsberg, Ostfold, Norway
DEATH 2 NOV 1788 • Eidsberg, Ostfold, Norway

Gunild Jonsdatter
1708–1801
BIRTH 1708 • Eidsberg, Østfold, Norway
DEATH 2 APR 1801 • Eidsberg, Østfold, Norway
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A little proof from a Bygdebok would be useful
Edited by - AntonH on 19/09/2022 22:49:48

AntonH
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Posted - 19/09/2022 :  22:54:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Death of Ole in 1788. Nr. 169

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061019040427

Tree

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/185102622/person/362415113269/facts
Edited by - AntonH on 19/09/2022 22:59:33
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AntonH
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Posted - 20/09/2022 :  00:22:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Marriage of Johanes Olsen and Helena Larsdatter. Engagement 27 Nov 1789

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061019040409

Son Halvor born 1801.

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000011315429

In the 1801 Census Joannes Olsen is listed as having been married twice. This may be his first marriage?


Name: Margrethe Knudsdr
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 2 okt 1786 (2 Oct 1786)
Marriage Place: Eidsberg, Østfold, Norway
Spouse:
Johannes Olsen
FHL Film Number: 125862
Reference ID: 1987

Nr. 22

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061019040209

Possibly died in 1789"

Nr. 38

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061019040428
Edited by - AntonH on 20/09/2022 03:23:31
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AntonH
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Posted - 20/09/2022 :  02:12:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This Geni.com does not have Ole Halvorsen but has the supposed father of Ole. That is Halvor Kristiansen Rom. Along with some siblings etc.

Halvor Kristensen Rom
Gender: Male
Birth: circa 1679
Death: 1740 (56-65)
Søndre Rom, Askim

https://www.geni.com/people/Halvor-Rom/6000000010432746032?through=6000000010433006846


This Tree has Ole born in 1717 and dead in 1733.

http://www.oddmarthinsen.no/Slekta/000/0010/399.htm


https://tore-nygaard.com/ostfold/940.htm
Edited by - AntonH on 20/09/2022 03:30:41
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ToreL
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Posted - 20/09/2022 :  16:19:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Clipping from Bygdebok for Eidsberg og Mysen, vol I. The author suggests that Ole Halvorsen might have been a son of Halvor Alfsen. And some Geni user believed him: https://www.geni.com/people/Halvor-Myra/6000000181955894825
Edited by - ToreL on 20/09/2022 18:19:55
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AntonH
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Posted - 20/09/2022 :  17:47:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Very good Tore. So Jon (Johannes) Olsen was born in 1748 and his father was Ole Halvorsen a husmann at Myra. Now the question I need to answer is, who is the father of Ole Halvorsen. Any ideas?

So he is likely not this man. From the Ancestry Tree?

Ole Halvorsen Elgetun
1717–1788
BIRTH ABT 1717 • Naeringsrud, Eidsberg, Ostfold, Norway
DEATH 2 NOV 1788 • Eidsberg, Ostfold, Norway
Edited by - AntonH on 20/09/2022 18:51:00
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AntonH
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Posted - 20/09/2022 :  19:10:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I just noticed your add on to your post about Myra. That seems more logical than the path the Ancestry.com Tree takes.
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AntonH
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Posted - 20/09/2022 :  22:21:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So another one the same family.

Anne Johannesdr
1829–1916
BIRTH 29 JUL 1829 • Henninge, Eidsberg, Ostfold, Norway
DEATH 26 OCT 1916 • Morristown, Rice, Minnesota

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000037943705
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AntonH
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Posted - 20/09/2022 :  22:28:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Marriage of the parents Johannes Andersen and Sissel Jensdatter

Nr. 20

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061019050445
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AntonH
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Posted - 20/09/2022 :  23:15:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Candidate for Sedsel

Sedsel Jensdatter
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Sedsel Jensdatter
[Sedsel Johnsen]
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 2 mai 1806 (2 May 1806)
Baptism Place: Eidsberg, Østfold, Norway
Father:
Jens Johnsen
Mother:
Christine Svendsdr
FHL Film Number: 125862
Reference ID: 10570

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061019040358
Edited by - AntonH on 20/09/2022 23:20:08
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AntonH
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Posted - 20/09/2022 :  23:27:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jens Johnsen in 1801 Census

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058203003260

Marriage Oct 1706

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061019040419

Sedsel

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000011317188
Edited by - AntonH on 20/09/2022 23:55:07
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AntonH
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Posted - 21/09/2022 :  02:22:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Discussion of who are the parents of Peder Jensen Trønberg born about 1768.

https://slektogdata.no/slektsforum/viewtopic.php?f=125&t=48384

Hvor sikker er du egentlig på at Peders første kone var Dorothe Børresdatter Næple? Jeg fant rent tilfeldig en annen Peder Jonsen som gifter seg samme året. Han er fra noe som ser ut som Ruudspladsejet og gifter seg med Johanna Halvorsdatter Huusebyeje(?).

Men hvis det er rett person du har funnet, kan det se ut som om han har en bror, Jens Jonsen Østre Trønborg.Han giftet seg i såfall med Christine Svendsdatter Lødengen i okt 1796.

Nå er det jo en viss mulighet for at jeg er fullstendig på bærtur her, men det nærmer jo seg bærsesongen for fullt nå, så du får være overbærende.
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AntonH
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Posted - 21/09/2022 :  02:53:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
From Slekt og Data https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058203003897

Jun 23, 2007 — Har lånt bygdebøkene for Eidsberg og Mysen, men ikke lyktes. ... Fant litt tilfeldig at Jon Jørgensen Trømborg dør i 1803, og at det finnes
Peders foreldre er Jon og Dorthe Trønborg

But I do find Joen Jørgensen and Dorthe Thorersdatter on 0044 Trømborg Østre in 1801 Census

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058203003896

Jon Jorgensson
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Jon Jorgensson
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Marriage Date: 02 Nov 1766
Marriage Place: Eidsberg, Østfold, Norway
Spouse:
Dorthe Torersdr.
FHL Film Number: 125862
Reference ID: 1432
Edited by - AntonH on 21/09/2022 20:32:39
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AntonH
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Posted - 21/09/2022 :  20:50:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Men hvis det er rett person du har funnet, kan det se ut som om han har en bror, Jens Jonsen Østre Trønborg.Han giftet seg i såfall med Christine Svendsdatter Lødengen i okt 1796.


https://slektogdata.no/slektsforum/viewtopic.php?f=125&t=48384
Edited by - AntonH on 21/09/2022 20:50:53
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AntonH
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Posted - 21/09/2022 :  21:46:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Based on the work done at Slekt og Data, I do not think it is going to be possible to go further than Jens Jonsen Østre Trønborg

".Han giftet seg i såfall med Christine Svendsdatter Lødengen i okt 1796."

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Originally posted by AntonH

Men hvis det er rett person du har funnet, kan det se ut som om han har en bror, Jens Jonsen Østre Trønborg.Han giftet seg i såfall med Christine Svendsdatter Lødengen i okt 1796.


https://slektogdata.no/slektsforum/viewtopic.php?f=125&t=48384
Edited by - AntonH on 23/09/2022 17:24:10
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