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ericlarson
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ToreL
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 Posted - 28/08/2023 : 12:50:52
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Just a small observation: I note that Trine, Gunder and Johanne have serial numbers 1114, 1116 and 1117. An unnamed, one-year old infant is listed as number 1115, possibly Trine's child. (Wild speculation -- a son Carel?) |
Edited by - ToreL on 28/08/2023 15:35:47 |
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ericlarson
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Posted - 28/08/2023 : 14:09:54
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I'm not sure about the identity of the infant. But I am pretty sure that in 1885 Trine was living in Illinois, not Minnesota. I have birth records for a couple of my grandmother's siblings at about that time and they give an address on Erie St on the north side of the city. Here is a link that shows everything I've got for Trine.
Url: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/L21Z-22G
After posting, I realized I made an error on the estimated date of arrival. It should be 27 June. The only problem is that I'm not sure if that's the date of debarkation in a eastern American port city or the date of arrival in Chicago. I know she was married here on 2 July 1882, so it could very well be the latter. |
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ericlarson
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Posted - 28/08/2023 : 14:16:37
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| Another correction: I meant to say her marriage was on 11 July 1882 in Chicago. |
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ToreL
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Posted - 28/08/2023 : 15:43:03
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| The infant with serial number 1115 in the police emigration register is probably Olaus Theodor, baptized January 2 1881 and born December 22 1880. A misreading of Olaus as Claus seems to have found its way into the Familysearch record. |
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/08/2023 : 17:30:49
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quote:
Originally posted by ericlarson
I'm not sure about the identity of the infant. But I am pretty sure that in 1885 Trine was living in Illinois, not Minnesota. I have birth records for a couple of my grandmother's siblings at about that time and they give an address on Erie St on the north side of the city. Here is a link that shows everything I've got for Trine.
Url: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/L21Z-22G
After posting, I realized I made an error on the estimated date of arrival. It should be 27 June. The only problem is that I'm not sure if that's the date of debarkation in a eastern American port city or the date of arrival in Chicago. I know she was married here on 2 July 1882, so it could very well be the latter.
In your tree you have the infant Olaus listed b 1880 d 1887
Did Ole ever become a US citizen? |
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ericlarson
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Posted - 28/08/2023 : 23:22:20
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In a probate deposition in Chicago after Ole's death, Trine said that the name of her first son was Claus and that he died at age six. I suppose it's possible she said Olaus (as given in the church books) and the court reporter misheard her and wrote "Claus." I also suppose it's possible the person who wrote the infant age on the police record as 10/12 was mistaken and should have written 7/12.
The part that's harder for me to understand is why Olaus/Claus doesn't appear in any American records if he came with Trine. She also mentioned three other kids who died young, none of whom appear in US records.
And yes, the 1900 census states Ole was a naturalized citizen. I haven't tracked down his naturalization records yet but I will.
But my first priority at present is finding Trine in a passenger Manifest. I'm working on an article on this topic but I cant find supporting documentation. The transcribed indexes at the Ellis Island site and Familysearch haven't helped. Are there other sources I should check? |
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AntonH
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Posted - 29/08/2023 : 00:27:51
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As Jackie points out the destination could be other than New York. This page from Norway Heritage shows arrival from England in late June for Quebec, Boston, Philadelphia and Baltimore. All of these manifests can likely be searched on Ancestry. com but it will be a tough chore.
http://www.norwayheritage.com/t_transatlantic.asp?month=06&year=1882 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 29/08/2023 : 00:30:53
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Arrivals in Canada
Lake Nepigon checked no luck
and same for Grecian and Circassian and Montreal and Buenos Ayrean and Mississippi.
That is a fairly quick check but no names jumped out at me from the list that looked like the people you are looking for.
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AntonH
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Posted - 29/08/2023 : 01:43:24
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Arrivals in Philadelphia
No luck with the British Crown or the Lord Clive |
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AntonH
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Posted - 29/08/2023 : 01:46:54
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| I also checked the arrivals for Baltimore with no luck. The arrivals in Baltimore are listed as leaving Bremen Germany but they are know to have carried Norwegians. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 29/08/2023 : 01:55:44
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Even simple easy names often get trashed by the clerk on the ship who wrote the passenger list, even 40 years after Daniel Webster standardized spelling was not a virtue, and don't even mention people transcribing and indexing into computer, as they often don't decipher well.
Within the last week a query I worked on at the forum at Digitalarkivet the name "Christiansen"was transmogified as "Kreskanden".
I also checked the online Denmark migrants list, lots of Trine (no Trina) travelling in 1882 but none with matching ages or last residence as Norway. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 29/08/2023 : 02:10:27
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Originally posted by ericlarson
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The part that's harder for me to understand is why Olaus/Claus doesn't appear in any American records if he came with Trine. She also mentioned three other kids who died young, none of whom appear in US records.
The main record in US that you find people in is census records. Olaus didn't last long enough to get into US Federal since the 1890 census was largely destroyed, 1900 would be the most likely.
Did you look at the Illinois State Secretary of State Digital Archives?
In Ancestry have you looked specifically in the ELCA pastoral acts database for the children? Sometimes the search engine for the database itself finds things that the main search engine doesn't.
I assume you worked through the Immigration databases search engine, too or did you rely only on the main search engine? With the database search engine you can look at every arrival date by date.
Not every database is hooked up the main search engine all the time....
Perhaps Trine used her farm name instead of the patronymic?
Maybe she used her middle name?
Search just for first name, no last name. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 29/08/2023 : 02:15:17
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Not only are the names mangled but Boston and Philadelphia are prone to use only an initial for the first name
And to make it more difficult the year 1882 is missing from the Ancestry.com transcriptions. for arrivals for Boston |
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ericlarson
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Posted - 29/08/2023 : 04:45:39
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Trine's farm was called Stykkene. The Aslaksens came from a farm called Frivol and they adopted "Freevol" as their Ametican surname. The transcribers for the 1900 census couldnt decipher it so in the digital index the following entry was filed under
"?reevoll" which never showed up on any of my searches.
Url: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MS78-6K3?cid=fs_copy
I was browsing through the whole west side neighborhood when I stumbled on it. |
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