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rcjjohnson
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 Posted - 05/04/2024 : 03:40:48
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Hello
Looking for information on Norwegian relatives. My family history says they were in Spind Farsund. Johannessen was a mail carrier. Bolette was his wife. This would have been around 1887. I know thier children were Olga, Erling, Nora, and my great grandfather, Sigwald. Any help would be appreciated.
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ToreL
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Posted - 05/04/2024 : 10:16:11
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| The family in 1891. Note that the husband's first name is Johannes. Johannesen is a patronymic or surname. The transcription is not perfect; Salvesdatter has become Solvesdatter. The original is available through a link up to the left. |
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ToreL
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Posted - 05/04/2024 : 13:52:59
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According to the book Spind: En bygdebok (only availbale from Norwegian IP-addresses) Johannes and his brother Gabriel (further down on the 1891 census link) together bought one half of the farm Dåreid, which by the time of the book's publication in 1966 (or possibly by the time some earlier version was written) was still owned by sons of the two brothers.
This book also mentions that the brothers were in America several times, but doesn't say exactly when. A simple search for baptsims of Johannes's and Bolette's children at Spind returns the baptsims for Elen Berdine and Olga in 1877 and 1879 while they lived at Vig, and then nothing until the baptisms of Anton, Sigvald Emil and Elen Leonora in 1886, 1887 and 1889 while they lived at Dårø. So perhaps they lived elsewhere (perhaps even in America?) when Erling and Nora, whom you mention, were born. |
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ToreL
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Posted - 05/04/2024 : 14:07:40
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| Bolette in 1875. Note her sister Søverine further down on the page. Apparently the two sisters married the two brothers Johannes and Gabriel. |
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ToreL
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Posted - 05/04/2024 : 14:51:16
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Johannes' and Bolette's marriage in 1877. The original record (#8) describes the groom as a Sømand, i.e., a sailor. "Broadland (Knes)" in the transcription should probably be "Brodland (Kvaas)", which matches this baptism: #9.
In the 1875 census both he and his brother Gabriel are described as sailors. In the original (bottom) the "Johan" in front of Gabriel is striked out. The original also says both were absent at the time of the census, on their way to the West Indies. Maybe this is how they acquired the money to buy the farm. |
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rcjjohnson
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Posted - 05/04/2024 : 16:36:47
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| Thank you Tore! I knew Johannes sailed--my heritage book says he was a ships carpenter and one of the first to arrive in Havana on a US ship after the USS Maine was destroyed at the start of the Spanish American war. Apart from that, very little is known. "Daried" is also written on my great grandfather's birth certificate. From your link, is Daried a place or a name of the farm itself? I have also seen "Daaro" as a spelling. Are they synonymous? I was hanging a painting my great grandfather did of the family farm in Norway yesterday, which prompted the post. |
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ToreL
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Posted - 05/04/2024 : 17:01:21
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Originally posted by rcjjohnson
Thank you Tore! I knew Johannes sailed--my heritage book says he was a ships carpenter and one of the first to arrive in Havana on a US ship after the USS Maine was destroyed at the start of the Spanish American war. Apart from that, very little is known. "Daried" is also written on my great grandfather's birth certificate. From your link, is Daried a place or a name of the farm itself? I have also seen "Daaro" as a spelling. Are they synonymous? I was hanging a painting my great grandfather did of the family farm in Norway yesterday, which prompted the post.
The current name of the farm is Dåreid. Such a name would immediately loose the little ring over the a at arrival in America, but are you sure that the spelling you have seen is Daried and not Dareid? As you have noted, the old sources also frequently refer to the farm as Dårø/Daarø and such. The book mentioned above also lists the old spellings Dorø, Daarøen and Dorøen. |
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AntonH
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AntonH
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Posted - 05/04/2024 : 17:41:11
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Ancestry also links to this Family Tree on a site called Geneanet. I believe that Geneanet is a free site but that one needs to sign up for it to use itl Might be worth checking out since this tree seems to have quite a large collection of your ancestorsl The accuracy of the site would need to be checked out but it does give you a template of the family
Family Tree Profile Timeline
Print and Lists Printable family tree Family Ancestry Charts & lists Family tree Check Relationship Calculate relationship More Illustrated statistics More hints Map
M Johannes Andreassson
Born April 29, 1850 - Brådland, Kvås, Lyngdal, Vest-Agder, Norway
Baptized May 12, 1850 - Kvås krk,Kvås,Lyngdal,Vest-Agder,Norway
Deceased
Parents
Andreas Johannessson ca 1816-1892
Olea Olsdtr 1818-1882
Siblings
M Johannes Andreassson 1845-1847
F Anne Gurine Andreasdtr 1847-1902
M Johannes Andreassson 1850-
F Oline Andreasdtr 1852-1853
M Ole Tobias Andreassson 1854-1906
M Ole Andreas Andreassson 1856-1857
M Johan Gabriel Andreassson 1858-
Paternal grand-parents, uncles and aunts
M Johannes Johannessson 1782-1858 married (1806)
F Åse Tronsdtr ca 1777-1833
F Gunhild Johannesdtr 1806-1807
not married, Without posterity
F Osea Johannesdtr 1807-1855
not married, Without posterity
F Gunhild Johannesdtr 1809-
not married, Without posterity
M Johannes Johannesson 1810-
not married, Without posterity
M Tønnes Johannesson 1812-1885
married (1842)
6 children
M Henrik Johannesson 1813-1814
not married, Without posterity
M Tobias Johannesson 1815-1826
not married, Without posterity
M Andreas Johannessson ca 1816-1892
married (1844)
7 children
M Mikal Johannesson 1818-
with 1
4 children , married 2(1856)
M Jens Johannesson 1822-1909
with 1, married 2(1875)
M Abraham Johannesson 1823-1823
not married, Without posterity
M Johannes Johannessson 1782-1858 married (1834)
F Anna Sivertsdtr 1796-1837
M Johannes Johannessson 1782-1858 married (1837)
F Berta Marie Olsdtr 1784-1861
Geneanet |
Edited by - AntonH on 05/04/2024 17:46:37 |
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AntonH
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ToreL
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Posted - 05/04/2024 : 18:58:13
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quote:
Originally posted by ToreL
According to the book Spind: En bygdebok (only availbale from Norwegian IP-addresses) Johannes and his brother Gabriel (further down on the 1891 census link) together bought one half of the farm Dåreid, which by the time of the book's publication in 1966 (or possibly by the time some earlier version was written) was still owned by sons of the two brothers.
This book also mentions that the brothers were in America several times, but doesn't say exactly when. A simple search for baptsims of Johannes's and Bolette's children at Spind returns the baptsims for Elen Berdine and Olga in 1877 and 1879 while they lived at Vig, and then nothing until the baptisms of Anton, Sigvald Emil and Elen Leonora in 1886, 1887 and 1889 while they lived at Dårø. So perhaps they lived elsewhere (perhaps even in America?) when Erling and Nora, whom you mention, were born.
I now realize that the Nora you mention in the original post must be identical to the Elen Leonora whose baptism appears in the search I linked to.
To support this, consider Johannes' newspaper death announcement, signed by Nora and Torsten Ekeland towards the bottom. And indeed Tosten Ekeland he was married to Elen Leonora in 1913. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 05/04/2024 : 19:19:48
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There are also about 25 Family Trees on Ancestry.com however a word of caution about 2/3 of them seem to go off the rails with the wrong parents of Johannes. Makes for quite a mess Here is likely the correct baptism of Johannes;
Johannes Andersen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name Johannes Andersen
Gender Male
Birth Date 29. apr 1850 (29 Apr 1850)
Baptism Date 12. mai 1850 (12 May 1850)
Baptism Place , Kvaas, Vest-Agder, Norway
Father
Andreas Johannessen
Mother
Olea Olsdr
FHL Film Number 311265
Original record is Nr 9
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060104040720
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AntonH
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AntonH
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AntonH
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Posted - 05/04/2024 : 20:27:02
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Based on the info above this is likely Aase with her parents in the 1801 Census.
Aase Troensdatter
in the 1801 Norway Census
Name Aase Troensdatter
Gender Kvinnelig
Marital Status Gift (Married)
Age 24
Birth Year abt 1777
Census year 1801
City Lyngdal
County Vest-Agder
County Number 10
Counting District Stakkeland
Counting District Number 0038
Enumeration District Number 003
Relation to Head Deres datter (Daughter)
House Number 01
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Tron Heljesen
60
Huusbonde
Gunild Hellingsdatter
61
Hustru (Wife)
Aase Troensdatter 24 Deres datter (Daughter)
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058341003421
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Johannessen Andreassen and Bolette Salvesdotter
