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AntonH
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AntonH
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 Posted - 22/03/2025 : 20:29:47
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Probably Marie in the 1865 Census with her family in Fjære parish. The children were born in Tromøy an Island off of Arendal. The mother was born in Evje parish a parish nearby but more inland from Arendal. The father Knud Eriksen n however was born in Drangedals a parish in the county of Telemark.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038164002490
Here are some links to information on the places mentioned above.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arendal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aust-Agder
For some reason my link to Tromø or its other spellings Tromøy does not work. But you can google that island off of Arendal if you wish.
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AntonH
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Cranston
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Posted - 23/03/2025 : 10:03:55
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| Again, thank you very much for all this information. I did notice in the 1891 censu a Othilda Thorsen (servant) born 1852 Porsgrund. Just so many similarities. Going back to Anne Marie Knudsen - why was her father's name Knud Eriksen? It seems very complicated. |
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AntonH
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AntonH
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Posted - 23/03/2025 : 17:43:29
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Only candidate is
Othilde Marie Toresen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name Othilde Marie Toresen
Gender Female
Birth Date 11. nov 1852 (11 Nov 1852)
Baptism Date 1. jan 1853 (1 Jan 1853)
Baptism Place , Porsgrunn, Telemark, Norway
Father
Thor Andersen
Mother
Maren Anne Olsdr
FHL Film Number 127005
Baptism
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038128001772
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Cranston
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Posted - 24/03/2025 : 10:30:51
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| Oh my word!!! I would never have got as far as I have without your help and guidance...thank you SO much. It is starting to make sence. The family I am doing this tree for (friends) they have all got the farm name (Hazon) in their name, so this has come down through the Norweigian influence...I thought it odd that this was so. I'm a bit sad that I cannot elaborate on Hans (brother) detains but you can't win them all...Thank you again Anton you are so kind to give of your time. Take care Jean |
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Cranston
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Posted - 25/03/2025 : 14:37:34
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| I have just printed out the records of the deaths of Else's parents and her birth. I have been trying to translate them and I am hoping I have this wrong but it looks like Else's mother committed suicide am I right. The writing on these records is not great so I am struggling. Hope you can shine a light for me Anton |
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ToreL
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Posted - 25/03/2025 : 21:28:01
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quote:
Originally posted by Cranston
I have just printed out the records of the deaths of Else's parents and her birth. I have been trying to translate them and I am hoping I have this wrong but it looks like Else's mother committed suicide am I right. The writing on these records is not great so I am struggling. Hope you can shine a light for me Anton
Record #1240 says she died at Ulevål (død 7/10 29 på Ullevål). This probably refers to Ullevål sykehus; Ullevål hospital.
What have you found that points towards a self-inflicted demise? |
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ToreL
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Posted - 25/03/2025 : 23:09:33
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An entry in a newspaper on October 25, 1929 (link for Norwegian IP addresses) reads
Hjertelig takk
for all kjærlig deltakelse ved
enkefru Anna Thorsen's syk-
dom, død og begravelse
Henns efterladte.
A heartfelt thank you
for all loving support at
widowed Mrs Anna Thorsen's ill-
ness , death and funeral
Her survivors |
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ToreL
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Posted - 25/03/2025 : 23:24:03
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| Newspaper notice on October 8, 1929. Signed by survivors Else, Hansemann, Gudrun Bøe and Ingeborg Werner, for whom the deceased was a beloved mom, sister and sister-in-law. Hansemann is a nickname for a very young person actually named Hans. |
Edited by - ToreL on 26/03/2025 00:01:08 |
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Cranston
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Posted - 26/03/2025 : 15:55:45
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| Torel - I was referring to the following info given to me on page one from yourself on 20/03/2025. You gave me the links to Else's parents deaths and the one for Anna was quite hard to decipher. I do not speak Norwegisn so I was trying to translate it and 'poison and bad death' was some of the text I came up with. I would appreciate your help with this. Also, thank you for the newspaper entry for Anna's death and the translation - it mentions Hans who I noone has been able to trace. Thanks again jean |
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ToreL
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Posted - 26/03/2025 : 22:00:10
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I cannot read all of record #1240 either, but most of it.
First, to the left, there is a reference to Skifte 155/1929; probate proceedings #155 in 1929. As far as I can determine, these are not available online (yet).
The next column identifies the deceased, in this case Enkefru Anne Thorsen, 37 år, død 7/10 29 på Ullevål, bopel Fredrik Stangs gate 46; Widowed lady Anne Thorsen, 37 years, died Oct 7 1929 at Ullevål, residence Fredrik Stangs Gate No. 46.
The next column gives information about survivors/inheritors, and whether there is anything to inherit. (In some other records on the page one can read that there is nothing to inherit, and in these cases there is no reference to probate proceedings.) In this case there appears to be something to inherit, but there are two words I cannot decipher: Efterlater 2 umyndige barn. Eiede ???? ?????. Kfr. ??? 680/1929 II. Here we are told that she leaves two children not of age. The next sentence starts with Eiede, which means owned, but what she owned I cannot read. 680/1929 II is a refernce to her husband's record in this same protocol.
The final column contains information on the person who reported the death. There are words I cannot decipher here as well, but here is what I can read: Anm. av svigerinnen fru Ingeborg Werner, Guldbergveien 4, ?????. ????? søster fru Reidun Bø ??? leiligheten.; Reported by the sister in law Ingeborg Werner, listed with a partly readable address, and then there is something about a sister Reidun Bø and the apartment. "Reidun" is probably an error; according to the newspaper entry a sister named Gudrun Bø was among the survivors. (Anne lived with Gudrun and her family in 1920: Link.)
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Cranston
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Posted - 27/03/2025 : 14:36:40
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| Thank you again Torel - it didn't help that I was looking at the WRONG entry!!! It would make sense that Anna left money etc because her husband Hans Marten Throsen was an engineer and shipping owner/director of ship building company. He only died a few months before Anna....incidentally, I do hope I am looking at the correct entry for Hans i.e.third entry on the left hand side of the page. It is a minefield for me and without you and Anton I would not have been able to be sure I had the correct family etc. Jean |
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Elsa and Hans Thorsen
