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Ruben
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 Posted - 04/05/2025 : 23:16:40
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Hi,
I am looking for some help with my Norwegian heritage. As my Norwegian is non-existant, it is rather difficult to decipher everything. Any help from a clever detective would therefore be very much appreciated! 
Many, many thanks!
I am looking specifically for the parents and grandparents of Hans Pet(t)er Antonsen (Sletten) (°26/09/1865, Ullensaker (Nordby) - † probably 06/11/1918, Antwerp (Belgium)). He married Cornelia Frederica (le Sage) de Fontenay (descendant of French-Danish nobility).
In his batismal record (29/10/1865, Ullensaker, Akershus)) Anton Julius Hansen & Marie Halvorsdatter seem to be mentioned as his father and mother?
Furthermore, it seems his father left him and his mother with the family of David Davidsen and paid for his upbringing (source 1 and source 2)?
Documents in Antwerp also mention the names of Anton Julius Hansen & Marie Halvorsdatter, and state that Hans Peter arrived there in 1887 as a seaman, where he married on 26/03/1892.
1. Anton Julius Hansen
Could anybody confirm whether he was born in 1841, Kristiania or in 1834 (source 1 and source 2)? (Or even another date?) Which seems the most likely? And where was he born?
Can we find out the names of his parents?
2. Marie Halvorsdatter (Nordby?)
I think I read on the baptismal record of Hans that Anton lived in lejermål with Marie. Does this mean there is no marriage certificate? If so, is there a way to find out which Marie Halvorsdatter this is?
As she is said to be 28 years old in 1865 and born in Ullensaker, she is perhaps the Marie Halvorsdatter born on 14/08/1838 in Hitlon, Ullensaker or is it more likely that she is the Berthe Marie Halvorsdatter Dahlseie born on 14/06/1838 in Ullensaker?
Is this here baptismal record and if so, do I understand correctly that she is part of twins?
Who are her father and mother? Where can I find more information about them?
Many thanks for you help and I am of course always available for help with Belgian genealogy! |
Edited by - Ruben on 05/05/2025 23:31:45 |
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AntonH
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AntonH
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Posted - 05/05/2025 : 01:38:39
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The one born in Hilton is the better guess. Yes they are twins and were born out of wedlock. Also it seems if one of the twins died
The parents are probably Kari Hansdatter and Halvor Nilsen Hilton
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060303020969
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AntonH
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AntonH
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Posted - 05/05/2025 : 02:02:10
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Here is a long shot for Anthon Julius Hansen. A pupil at a school in Hedmark. Gives his birth as 3-10-1832
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/47/pl00000000060583
Could be the same guy or not hard to say but some things are close.
Anton Julius Hansen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name Anton Julius Hansen
Gender Male
Marital Status Single
Age 24
Birth Date 1833
Marriage Date 15. apr 1857 (15 Apr 1857)
Marriage Place Oslo, Oslo, Norway
Father
Andreas Hansen
Spouse
Ingeborg Laurentze Berline Olsdatter
FHL Film Number 125846
Reference ID bk 37 p280 #15
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ToreL
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Posted - 05/05/2025 : 18:15:36
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Originally posted by AntonH
Original record Nr 198
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060927020193
Not a lot of information here, Parents not married, their first instance of that.
Note, though, that the father's occupation is given as contorist; office worker. |
Edited by - ToreL on 05/05/2025 18:16:14 |
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ToreL
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Posted - 05/05/2025 : 18:52:32
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I suspect the wrong URL ended up behind the link named in 1841, Kristiania in the original post; it leads to the same record from the 1885 census as does the next link you provide. This candidate born in 1834 was a shoe maker in 1885, and most likely not an office worker in 1865.
But what source (that you probabably wanted the first link to provide) talks about a candidate born in 1841? |
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ToreL
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Posted - 05/05/2025 : 19:32:02
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Originally posted by AntonH
The one born in Hilton is the better guess. Yes they are twins and were born out of wedlock. Also it seems if one of the twins died
The parents are probably Kari Hansdatter and Halvor Nilsen Hilton
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060303020969
Fun fact: This Halvor Nilsen Hilton is probably the same guy you eventually reach if you follow the Father link 5-6 times from Paris Hilton's Geni profile. A pity only his children in the marriage to Karoline are linked to from his profile.
Whether the daughter Marie in this baptism is indeed Hans Petter's mother still remains to be seen.
I note that at Hans Petter's baptism there is a witness/sponsor Anne Halvorsdatter Døhlen. Could that be a sister? This is probably her in the 1865 census, indicating a birth in Ullensaker parish in 1845, which yields the candidates Anne1 and Anne2. Anne2 was born out of wedlock. The parents married the following year, and then had several more children after that. Another child six-seven years earlier is very unlikely, and neither do I find any. The parents of Anne1, on the other hand, had a the daughter Marie baptised in the neighboring parish of Nannestad in January of 1839 (Link). I would place my bet on Anne1's older sister rather than on the Hilton girl.
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AntonH
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Ruben
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Posted - 06/05/2025 : 00:49:21
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Wow! Thank you so much for your expertise guys! This already helps a lot!
So, I've written down that
* Hans Peter was indeed born out of wedlock, so we have no marriage certificate to fall back to
* Anton Julius Hansen was a contorist (office worker) at his son's birth
* The candidate born in 1834 became a shoe maker and is therefore probably the wrong Anton Julius
* Marie Halvorsdatter (Nordby?) was perhaps born on 14/08/1838 in Hilton, Ullensaker, daughter of Kari Hansdatter and Halvor Nilsen Hilton (and perhaps family of Paris Hilton – what a great fun-fact!), although the Marie Halvorsdatter ToreL foudn born in Nannestad on 24/12/1838
Anton Julius Hansen
I presume the Anton Julius in the Norway Select Marriages is the wrong one, as the certificate refers to a shoemaker's apprentice. So this is probably the candidate born in 1834 who was a shoe maker in 1885.
@ToreL: Sorry for the wrong url. This was indeed a mistake. I found the Anton Julius born in 1841 here, but as he seems to be married to Ellen Marie Hansen and is a carpenter, it is probably not the right candidate?
I don't think this will help, but in Hans Peter Antonsen's Antwerp marriage papers an annex in Norwegian can be found. Based on the French translation from the embassy, it seems to be a document about his Konfirmasjon with not much information about the parents? Could you confirm?
All Belgian documents seem to state that Anton Julius Hansen was born in Kristiania and Marie Halvorsdatter was born in Ullensaker, but no dates of birth are mentioned and it is unclear how trustworthy these documents are. (It is possible Hans Peter didn't know this information himself and simply stated to Belgian authorities what he thought to be correct?)
According to the same documents, Anton Julius Hansen was already deceased in 05/04/1892.
Another fun-fact: a Anton Julius Hansen was treated in 1854 in Oslo-hospital for syphilis (n°615). The shoemaker born in 1834 seems to have the right age for this.
Death of Hans Peter Antonsen
I am sorry for bombarding you with questions – and please do keep up with helping me in my search for Anton Julius Hansen and Marie Halvorsdatter – but I have another mystery.
Almost everywhere I look, I find sources that state that Hans Peter Antonsen died in Antwerp on 06/11/1918 (Danmarks Adels Aarborg, page 130 and Familysearch). I could, however, not find any death certificate in Antwerp.
I did find a son, Hans Peter Willem Antonsen, born on 17/08/1896. This is probably the Hans Peter Antonsen mentioned here with a date of death on 07/11/1918, as Antwerp is given as the place of residence. Strangly enough, Ullensaker is registered as the place of birth. Could this be the cause of a mix-up? And if so, does this mean Hans Peter's son returned to Norway and is buried there or are all deaths from Norwegian nationals in other countries registered in the Kirkebøker as well?
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Edited by - Ruben on 06/05/2025 00:55:39 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 06/05/2025 : 01:49:04
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There is a family tree on Ancestry.com. Family trees on Ancestry.com need to be used with great caution., But in the list of children of Halvor Nielsen there is a
Marie Havorsdatter Hilton
1838–1838
BIRTH 14 AUG 1838 • Klofta, Ullensaker, Akershus, Norway
DEATH 16 AUG 1838 • Kløfta, Ullensaker, Akershus, Norway
We need to figure if the mother of Hans Petter, Marie Hansdatter is really who we think she is.
The next child in the list is the Nils listed above born September 7, 1838.
Nels Halvorsen Hilton
1839–1898
BIRTH 07 SEP 1839 • Klofta, Ullensaker, Akershus, Norway
DEATH 12 SEP 1898 • Callender, Webster, Iowa
Tree is
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/13754700/person/-15291048/facts
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Edited by - AntonH on 06/05/2025 02:42:00 |
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AntonH
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AntonH
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Posted - 06/05/2025 : 02:08:39
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Halvor Nilsen Hilton
in the Geneanet Community Trees Index
Name Halvor Nilsen Hilton
Gender M (Male)
Birth Date 11 mars 1810 (11 Mar 1810)
Birth Place Hilton, Ullensaker (Ullensaker), Akershus, Norvège (Norway)
Marriage Date 15 déc. 1839 (15 Dec 1839)
Marriage Place Hilton, Ullensaker (Ullensaker), Akershus, Norvège (Norway)
Death Date 15 oct. 1864 (15 Oct 1864)
Death Place Hilton, Ullensaker (Ullensaker), Akershus, Norvège (Norway)
Father
Nils Halvorsen Hilton
Mother
Kari Trulsdatter Thrulsdatter Hennie
Spouse
Karoline Hansdatter Holum
Child
August Halvorsen Hilton
Herman Havorsen Hilton
Karen Fredricka Havorsdatter Hilton
Karl Halvorsen Hilton
Lina Julie Halvorsdatter Hilton
Marie Havorsdatter Hilton
Marthe Marie Malla Halvorsdatter Hilton
Nils Nels Halvorsen Hilton
Olaus Havorsen Hilton
Catharine Kara MacKay
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Edited by - AntonH on 06/05/2025 02:09:11 |
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