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AntonH
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ToreL
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 Posted - 06/05/2025 : 02:38:42
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Originally posted by AntonH
I am a little confused as to why you did not consider this girl as the person in the baptism record
Nr 49
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060303021060
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000036465032
This seems to be the same person
1910 Census
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01036386005469
1920 Census
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01073695006594
This is the one I called Anne2. She was born out of wedlock, and I therefore found it unlikely that she could be a full sister of anyone born seven years earlier.
What I did find very interesting, was that Anne1 in fact had a sister Marie born in 1838. Since this Marie was baptised in the neighboring parish, she evaded the search for a Marie Halvorsdatter born in 1838, but since her parents had moved to Ullensaker by the time she was seven, she is just as good a candidate for our Marie Halvorsdatter as the ones born in Ullensaker.
In fact, with Anton's last discovery, right above, both candidates presented in the original post can be ruled out, and the Marie born in Nannestad is at present the only candidate on the table. |
Edited by - ToreL on 06/05/2025 06:00:09 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 06/05/2025 : 03:00:51
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The Family Tree and DA records seem to indicate that both of the twins died shortly after birth and thus Marie Halvorsdatter from the baptism can not be the mother of Hans Petter Antonsen.
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https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060303010147
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AntonH
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Posted - 06/05/2025 : 03:03:39
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Tore said
"What I did find very interesting, was that Anne1 in fact had a sister Marie born in 1838. Since this Marie was baptised in the neighboring parish, she evaded the search for a Marie Halvorsdatter born in 1838, but since her parents had moved to Ullensaker by the time she was seven, she is just as good a candidate for our Marie Halvorsdatter as the ones born in Ullensaker."
OK, now I get it
Where we are I guess
Hans Pettersen Antonsen born 1865
Parents
Anton Julius Hansen parents unknown
Marie Halvorsdatter born 1839 Nannestad Akershus
parents are
Halvor Evensen Kongsrud
Pernille Johansdatter
sister Annie Halvorsdatter Dahlin born 1845 Ullensaker Akershus
parents are
Halvor Evensen
Pernile Johansdatter |
Edited by - AntonH on 06/05/2025 03:26:57 |
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AntonH
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AntonH
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Posted - 06/05/2025 : 21:11:50
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Anton Julius Hansen
in the Norway Marriages, 1600s-1800s
Name Anton Julius Hansen
Age 20 years
Gender Male
Birth Date Ca.1847
Marriage Date 28. mar 1867 (28 Mar 1867)
Marriage Place Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Spouse Julie Christensen
Spouse's Age 20 years
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Birth Date Ca.1847
Father Christian Hansen
Spouse's Father Jorgen Christensen
Julie Christensen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name Julie Christensen
Gender Female
Age 20
Birth Date 1847
Marriage Date 28. mar 1867 (28 Mar 1867)
Marriage Place Gronland Menighet, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Father
Jorgen Christensen
Spouse
Anton Julius Hansen
FHL Film Number 255745
Reference ID 2:13KQKDF
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ToreL
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Posted - 06/05/2025 : 23:07:09
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| The original lists the groom's occupation. Any suggestions for what it says? I am pretty sure it ends with formand, i.e., foreman, but the first part is harder. And a symbol is written above. Is it part of the name of the occupation? |
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AntonH
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Posted - 07/05/2025 : 00:50:56
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Beats me but I will ask the folks on" Assistance with transcribing handwriting" forum on DA, Proably get an answer tomorrow
Quick answer from Evan Stormoen
It says: Ungkl. [ungkar (bachelor)] Tomteformand [‹manager› on a «tomt». Not sure how to translate that . . .]
The «symbol» is part of the capital «T».
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https://forum.arkivverket.no/topic/357962-translate-the-phrase/
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AntonH
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Posted - 07/05/2025 : 02:59:58
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Here is what Meta AI gives for an answer
Here is what Meta AI gives for a translation. What do you think?
"Tomteformand" is a Danish word. "Tomte" means "yard" or "farm", and "formand" means "chairman" or "leader". So, "Tomteformand" roughly translates to "yard leader" or "farm leader", but it might have a more specific meaning depending on the context.
In Scandinavian folklore, a "tomte" can also refer to a friendly spirit or gnome that's believed to live on a farm or in a yard. If that's the context, "Tomteformand" might mean something like "leader of the tomte" or "chief gnome". Can you tell me more about where you encountered this word? |
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ToreL
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Posted - 07/05/2025 : 09:51:25
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| Did you tell your AI helper that the word tomteformand designates an occupation? He (it!!) may have answered more narrowly then. In such a more restricted setting, I believe that Danish/Norwegian formand/formann and English foreman corresoond quite accurately. Tomt in this case probably means site. So, all together a Site Foreman? But would a worker rise to this rank at the age of 20? |
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ToreL
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Posted - 07/05/2025 : 10:43:46
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The same pair with a child in 1873: #207. Again hard to interpret the occupation, but the same expert Even Stormoen whom Anton consulted above, reads it to be Tomtearbeider. So maybe the groom was stretching it a bit at the wedding?
I started to get second thoughts about my reading of "contorist" in 1865, but the reading was confirmed by the expert. So it still looks like we haven't found the right guy. |
Edited by - ToreL on 07/05/2025 20:57:32 |
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