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heatherc32
Starting member
USA
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 Posted - 18/09/2004 : 10:50:32
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I have searched for years on a segment of my family that comes from Norway.
I have very, very limited information.
I have a Peter Ellison who was born in 1810 in Norway, at some point he came to the US, ended up in Kansas and married an Otilla/Tilla/Matiilda Thomson/Thompson also from Norway.
I believe I've found Matilda's parents in the 1850 census, Gunda and Jacobin Thompson.
I have tried searching the main Norway database but get nowhere or get thousands and thousands of hits.
I've not been able to find passenger records for the Ellison's or Thompsons.
If Jacobin and Guna are Matilda's parents I know they arrived here between 1845-1850.
Does anyone have any tips on now to search that may help? Thanks in advance. |
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heatherc32
Starting member
USA
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Posted - 18/09/2004 : 10:53:17
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| Oh, also, I found some old things written down by family that showed Matilda's last name as Tromso, though her marriage and census records show her last name as Thompson. I believe Tromso may be a town in Norway, that could be a hint. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 18/09/2004 : 12:36:50
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Hi,
here is the 1850 census for Buchanan Co. Missouri. Original census image
Mathilde is listed as Mortalia Thompson, 5 years old. Why do you believe this is the correct family? Do you have any clue? 
The "notes" field says that "Gunda Thompson"'s real name (?) is Gunder Guttormsen. His wife (Jacobin Thompson)'s name is Jacobine Reichelt. They emigrated with their 8 children in 1850.
Here is the birth of their children Carlos [Johan Paulus], Beatta [Birthe Marie] and Michael [Mikael Christian].
It shows that they are from Øyestad in Aust-Agder county, Norway. Far away from the city Tromsø! But very close to the island "Tromøy" though....maybe?
This is the only Reichelt in the norwegian 1865-census. He is born ca. 1795. Jacobin(e) is born ca. 1807, so he could be a brother, maybe....? This is prob. Simon in 1801.
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Edited by - jwiborg on 18/09/2004 22:06:37 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 18/09/2004 : 13:05:44
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Here is the christening record of Jacobin Thompson, aka Jacobine Reichelt.... click here
It shows that she is Simon's sister!
And here is the christening record of Gunda Thompson, aka Gunder Guttormsen: click here
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Edited by - jwiborg on 18/09/2004 20:17:22 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 18/09/2004 : 14:02:32
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Hi again,
have you found "Peter Ellison" and "Mathilde Thompson" in the 1880 census?
There is noone called Peter born 1808-1812 from Norway living in Kansas in 1880. He might ofcourse be dead...
You say Peter is born 1810, while this Mathilde is born ca 1845, so he's like 35 years older than her. Does that fit with your other information?
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heatherc32
Starting member
USA
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Posted - 18/09/2004 : 21:04:59
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Thank you so much for the help.
I do have that 1850 census. I do believe that Beotta listed in that census is Otilla, she went by so many names in so many different places I'm certain it is her and Beotta is the same age. Yes, Peter was many years older than Otilla. Otilla was born around 1831/1832
By process of elimination this Thompson family has to be mine, Otilla and Peter Ellison were married in Center, Buchanan County, Missouri in 1854.
Peter was dead by 1878, I am unable to find their children or Matilda/Otilla after 1870 in the census. Their children do not appear again in any census until 1910. I have no idea where Peter and Otilla were buried.
To tell the truth, I'm not sure what Matilda/Otilla's name was, I have no offcial confirmation, her marriage record calls her Otilla Thomson, my great-grandmother called her Tilla Tromson.
In the 1870 Doniphan County, Kansas census, they are shown as Peter and Matilda Elison, (Doniphan and Buchanan County are next door to each other).
She was also listed as Matilda in the 1860 Doniphan census, Peter was 25 years older than her.
Thank you so much for the help, it means a lot. I'll sift through all this and see if I can't find a match. |
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heatherc32
Starting member
USA
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Posted - 21/02/2005 : 05:12:36
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Hi,
I am going to bump this back up again and hope that maybe I can get a confirmation on this. This time I'll try and be a little more specific.
I have Peter Ellison b. 1810 in Norway, died 1878 in Kansas
He married Matilda/Otilla Thomson/Thompson 1-14-1854
This all happened in Buchanan County, Missouri and Doniphan County, Kansas. These are sister counties and apparently people travelled back and forth between these places quite a bit.
Now, in the 1850 census linked above and also here http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=US1850&gardpostnr=10838&personpostnr=10838 I think this is Matilda and her family. I believe Beatta/Berte Marie in this census is Matilda/Otilla. The age is exactly right and it's the only Thompson's which match.
Couple of questions, is the name Matilda/Otilla something that would translate to Beatta/Berte Marie?
Also, why is the name listed in the census so different than the one listed in the Norway information? Thompson to Guttormsen, etc....
Also, adding that Peter was MUCH older than Matilda, that is not a typo or mistake.
And finally, is the connection that I have made proveable? I can track down the smallest lead in the US, but am totally lost in this Norwegian thing.
Thank you, Heather |
Edited by - heatherc32 on 21/02/2005 05:21:40 |
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Brining
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
868 Posts |
Posted - 21/02/2005 : 07:44:41
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This Thompson family is not yours I found a family tree for Gunda/Gunder and Beatta/Berte was married to a Lars Nelson in 1853. Click Here.
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heatherc32
Starting member
USA
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Posted - 21/02/2005 : 08:04:40
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Wow, thanks Carla. That's what I get for going for the only possible answer. *lol* Okay, since that is out of the question here is the only absolute information I have on these two:
Name: Peter Allison
Spouse: Otilla Thomson
Marriage Date: 14 Jan 1854
Both born in Norway and in the 1860 and 1870 Wayne, Doniphan County, Kansas census. They and all of their children disappeared from any census until 1900 when they were then found in Oklahoma. Their eldest son took care of the children and I assume Peter and Otilla died around the same time, he was, of course, much older than she was.
Thank you so much, Carla, I will take all of that information out. |
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Brining
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
868 Posts |
Posted - 25/02/2005 : 06:52:46
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Hi A possibility in the 1880 census for Thomas and Elert.
Thomas Ellertson Click Here
and Elert Elertson (living with Tom G Thompson!!) Click Here They are the correct age and living in Doniphan county. Ellertson could be Ellison missprounounced. Also did not see any Elertsons in Kansas in the 1870 census and they were both born in Kansas.
To get more info on the parents, you should try and track down any obituaries of the children. Might be some information there.
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 27/02/2005 : 19:10:59
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In the 1870 census they are listed as "Elison" and in the 1860 parents are called 'Allison'. Mother called Matilda or Mathilde.
That's a pretty fair sized group of Norwegian emigrants in that Kansas location. Was it mentioned in any published history of the county? did they have a Norwegian-Lutheran church?
Kansas also has state censuses done in years which may be helpful - such as 1859, 1865 and 1875 (among others). |
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heatherc32
Starting member
USA
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Posted - 08/03/2005 : 07:38:39
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Sorry it took me so long to get back to this. Brining, you are definitely right! That's them in those census records. I didn't try it will one L.
Hopkins, I'll have to check through the hsitory books again. I didn't find anything the first time. |
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heatherc32
Starting member
USA
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Posted - 24/05/2005 : 22:58:20
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Hi,
All of the above didn't work out last time, I had the wrong people. I'm still looking for Matilda/Otilla Thomson/Thompson's family and I have another hit they may help.
I have Peter Thompson in 1870 Wayne, Doniphan County, Kansas. He has several children including, Cathraine, Gotom, Gunnavius, Gunnell, and Maria. Gunnavius was born in the Atlantic Ocean in 1851/1852 so that's the year they immigrated.
I've searched the lds site and here and cannot find any matches at all, can someone look at this and tell me where I may begin searching to tie these people to Matilda? This Peter was born 1807 in Norway, just like Matilda's husband Peter Ellison/Alison/Ellertson.
Thank you so much in advance.
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hguttormsen
New on board
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Posted - 09/09/2005 : 22:39:45
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Originally posted by heatherc32
Hi,
I am going to bump this back up again and hope that maybe I can get a confirmation on this. This time I'll try and be a little more specific.
I have Peter Ellison b. 1810 in Norway, died 1878 in Kansas
He married Matilda/Otilla Thomson/Thompson 1-14-1854
This all happened in Buchanan County, Missouri and Doniphan County, Kansas. These are sister counties and apparently people travelled back and forth between these places quite a bit.
Now, in the 1850 census linked above and also here http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=US1850&gardpostnr=10838&personpostnr=10838 I think this is Matilda and her family. I believe Beatta/Berte Marie in this census is Matilda/Otilla. The age is exactly right and it's the only Thompson's which match.
Couple of questions, is the name Matilda/Otilla something that would translate to Beatta/Berte Marie?
Also, why is the name listed in the census so different than the one listed in the Norway information? Thompson to Guttormsen, etc....
Also, adding that Peter was MUCH older than Matilda, that is not a typo or mistake.
And finally, is the connection that I have made proveable? I can track down the smallest lead in the US, but am totally lost in this Norwegian thing.
Thank you, Heather
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Brining
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
868 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2005 : 08:46:18
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Hi Heather,
Peter Thompson is also in the 1860 census but he is listed with a last name starting with G. Hetitage quest has it as GILTONFRO. A Batha Gunderson age 80 is living with him and his wife is listed as Caroline age 45 children Caroline 16 Berthe 18 Gothem 21 Bent 19 Gunnell 13 Gunneris 10 (born Atlantic Ocean)
The 1900 census for Doniphan list G Thompson, born at sea Birth Aug 1950 but his brother Thos. who is living with him has 1851 for year immigrated??
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 10/09/2005 : 15:26:42
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The state of Kansas conducted about 8 STATE censuses between the years of 1855 and 1875.
The LDS library catalog also indicates a citizens and business directory for Doniphan county was published for 1868-9.
Have those been checked for any additional information? |
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Advice needed/searching for Norwegian ancestors
