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dolores
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 Posted - 10/02/2005 : 07:09:48
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| There was a passenger # 46 named G. Paulsen on the bark Martha which sailed from Christiania on April 30, 1867. I think he may be my gr-grandfather Gilbert Paulsen. Is there any more information to be found on the passengers than what we see on the passenger listing which shows that he was from Tønsberg? My gr-grandmother Marie - passenger #137 was also on that voyage with her mother and step-father but not apparently in company with G. Paulsen. |
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Borge
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Posted - 10/02/2005 : 18:26:04
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| I don't know if you noticed, but there is a scan of the passenger list linked to the transcript. The scan shows that there is no additional information about G. Paulsen: image of the list |
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Jo Anne Sadler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 10/02/2005 : 18:40:28
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On voyages, generally, families were housed in the middle of the compartments, single men on one side and single women on the other. When the crew were preparing the passenger lists to submit to customs, it would occur that people traveling together are shown on different places on the list.
Was your great grandmother also from Tønsberg or did they meet on the ship? |
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dolores
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Posted - 11/02/2005 : 02:18:22
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Originally posted by Borge
I don't know if you noticed, but there is a scan of the passenger list linked to the transcript. The scan shows that there is no additional information about G. Paulsen: image of the list
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dolores
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Posted - 11/02/2005 : 02:25:41
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Originally posted by Borge
I don't know if you noticed, but there is a scan of the passenger list linked to the transcript. The scan shows that there is no additional information about G. Paulsen: image of the list
Thank you for replying. I did see the scan. Do you know if more information was required when the passage was booked? Might there be more information in Norway records? My gr grandfather settled in Minnesota with the name Gilbert Paulson and I have not been able to find any earlier trace of his name. Gr grandmother Marie boarded the ship as a single woman with her family and settled in Minnesota 9 months after arriving in Quebec with a husband and newborn son. That's why I feel that this G. Paulsen might be the right person. |
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dolores
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Posted - 11/02/2005 : 02:35:21
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Originally posted by Jo Anne Sadler
On voyages, generally, families were housed in the middle of the compartments, single men on one side and single women on the other. When the crew were preparing the passenger lists to submit to customs, it would occur that people traveling together are shown on different places on the list.
Was your great grandmother also from Tønsberg or did they meet on the ship?
Thank you for your reply. No, my great grandmother and her family came from the Stai farm in Åmot, Hedmark, Norway. I have not been able to find G. Paulsen in that vicinity in the 1865 census. There was a Gunder Paulsen about the right age in Lardal, Vestfold in the 1865 census. It looks like Lardal is somewhat near Tønsberg both being in Vestfold. He is not in Vestfold in the 1875 census. I thought he might have changed his name from Gunder to Gilbert.
I am wondering if Norway kept any more conplete records of the passengers than is shown on the passenger lists. |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 11/02/2005 : 15:52:44
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What would be the 'right age' in the 1865 census?
I've seen Gilbert used in US by Norwegian emigrants originally named Gulbrand and Gullik - but more usually from the names similar to Gulbrand.
If he left Norway in 1867 - why looking for him in the 1875 census for Vestfold? Where did you find a complete 1875 census database for Vestfold?
Norwegian churches often kept 'utflytte' records of persons leaving the parish, various ports began keeping emigration protocol (registers) by the police - but not until the late to middle 1860s. They have more complete records of persons leaving the country than I've found of persons arriving in US during that time period - but all things are relative and not so excellent as we would wish today. |
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Jo Anne Sadler
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Borge
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Posted - 12/02/2005 : 08:57:38
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Originally posted by dolores
Thank you for replying. I did see the scan. Do you know if more information was required when the passage was booked? Might there be more information in Norway records? My gr grandfather settled in Minnesota with the name Gilbert Paulson and I have not been able to find any earlier trace of his name. Gr grandmother Marie boarded the ship as a single woman with her family and settled in Minnesota 9 months after arriving in Quebec with a husband and newborn son. That's why I feel that this G. Paulsen might be the right person.
Yes, there would have been more information in the police registers, but in this case, the ship departed just in time before they started those records  |
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dolores
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Posted - 12/02/2005 : 12:17:04
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Originally posted by Hopkins
What would be the 'right age' in the 1865 census?
I've seen Gilbert used in US by Norwegian emigrants originally named Gulbrand and Gullik - but more usually from the names similar to Gulbrand.
If he left Norway in 1867 - why looking for him in the 1875 census for Vestfold? Where did you find a complete 1875 census database for Vestfold?
Norwegian churches often kept 'utflytte' records of persons leaving the parish, various ports began keeping emigration protocol (registers) by the police - but not until the late to middle 1860s. They have more complete records of persons leaving the country than I've found of persons arriving in US during that time period - but all things are relative and not so excellent as we would wish today.
Thank you for your reply.
Because I have not been able to document my gr-grandfather's arrival in the USA, I had thought he may have changed his name to Gilbert from something like Gunder or Gulbrand. When I found a passenger by the name of G. Paulsen who gave his home in Norway as Tønsberg, I looked in the Digitalarkivet for someone about the age of 35 in 1865 in or near Tønsberg. I found a Gunder Paulsen age 36 in Lardal, Vestfold. I looked again in 1875 in the same areas to see if that person was still listed. Since he was not - I was hoping that Gunder might be my gr-grandfather. From another reply here received, I will now check the microfilm suggested to see if I can find some other record that will identify who the G. Paulsen is on the passenger list. Again, Thank you for your reply. |
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G. Paulsen - on bark Martha 1867
