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Berta
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 Posted - 15/09/2005 : 14:27:49
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I am looking for 4 (at leat) siblings who is listed as emigrated on the "Digitalarkivet" - protocol:
First, Aksel Halvard Simensen emigrated. He emigrated on April 16 1910 from Christiania.,
He was born on September 21st 1892 in Tune by parents Zacarine Helga Rasmusdatter (Melby) and Karl Edvard Simensen.
Here is his
http://www.digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=emikra1&gardpostnr=195151&merk=195151#ovre
He arrived in New York on may 1st with the ship Carmania from Liverpool. In his manifest. he is said to go to his "uncle Theodor "Teddy" Jørgensen.
"Uncle Theodor Jørgensen?? Brooklyn N.Y 6?? - 2ave"
Second was his younger brother, John Melby Simensen.
He was bornon feb. 2nd 1903/4 by the same parents. He was born in Sarpsborg.
http://www.digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=emikra1&gardpostnr=256593&merk=256593#ovre
He arrives in New York on april 29th 1924, onboard the ship "Stavangerfjord".
He is also said to go to the same "uncle Theodor:
"Uncle Teddy Jorgensen, 136W. 73rd st. , New-York, N.Y."
Third was the sister Elna Zakarine Simensen. She is a servant.
She is born on feb. 18th 1903/4 in Sarpsborg by the same parents.
She emigrates in 1927, and heading for New York on the "Stavangerfjord"
http://www.digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=emikra1&gardpostnr=266223&merk=266223#ovre
Last I have found emigrated is their sister
Rakel Gulethe Simensen. She is listed as a "home-ec teacher".
She emigrates on october 7th, 1930 with the ship "Bergensfjord"
http://www.digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=emikra1&gardpostnr=273836&merk=273836#ovre
As the records for Ellis Island stops in 1924 I have not yet found the two sisters.
The siblings had at least to more sister,
Esther Helene Simensen, born on November 20th 1894 in Tune, living with parents in Sarpsborg in 1900 census.
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Marta Simensen born 1896 in Sarpsborg/Tune, living with parents in Sarpsborg in 1900 census.
There may be more brothers and sisters.
My questions:
1. Is it possible to find the immigration-notice for the two sisters?
2. Is it possible to find any census-records for the siblings? As Aksel Halvard arrives in 1910, He might be found in 1910, 1920 and 1930.
As for the three others, the 1930 census might be the only one they can be found.
But my guess is, if "uncle Teddy still is alive" they might have stayed with him for some time.
I do not know at this time, in what meaning they are related to him, and what they mean by "uncle".
As for Aksel, I guess he is with his uncle in the 1910-census. Maybe he stayed there over time?
3. Any leads on decendants will be very appriciated.
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Berta
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Berta
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Posted - 15/09/2005 : 14:36:52
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Corrections:
"The siblings had at least to more sister,
Esther Helene Simensen, born on November 20th 1894 in Tune, living with parents in Sarpsborg in 1900 census.
and
Marta Simensen born 1896 in Sarpsborg/Tune, living with parents in Sarpsborg in 1900 census.
There may be more brothers and sisters.
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The correct paragraph should be:
"The siblings had at least two more sisters :
Esther Helene Simensen, born on November 20th 1894 in Tune, living with parents in Sarpsborg in 1900 census.
and
Marta Simensen born 1896 in Sarpsborg/Tune, living with parents in Sarpsborg in 1900 census.
As implied, there may be several more familymembers."
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Berta
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Posted - 15/09/2005 : 19:32:24
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I also just want to mention that the occupation of both Aksel Halvard, John Melby and their father is in the carpentry-area.
I do not know what "hustømrer" is in english. But I interpret it as a type of carpentry.
In the Ellis Island Manifest, both of them is listed as "Carpent."
The occupation of Rakel Gulethe Simensen is a more difficult one.
But I interpret "husstellærer" as "Teacher in Home Economics"
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Brining
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Posted - 16/09/2005 : 16:33:20
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Hi Berta
The SS death index has one John Simensen
JOHN SIMENSEN born 17 Dec 1904 died Mar 1981 last residence Wakefield, Middlesex, MA Massachusetts
I can't link direct to the record but here is the site Click Here
I haven't found anything in the census on them.
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Berta
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Posted - 16/09/2005 : 17:12:03
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Thank you, Carla!
I have not either found them.. But at least Aksel has to be in the 1910 census.. He might not have stayed with his uncle, but it is not sure.
I know the census is hard to search on adresses, but maybe if "uncle" Teddy was found in 1910, maybe Aksel was there.
But I will take this John Simensen with me.
Maybe they changed their last name when they arrived? A family name could be "Melby" or variations of this?
Berta
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Brining
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Posted - 16/09/2005 : 17:19:35
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Hi Berta I found Aksel in 1920 census SIMONSEN AKSEL 28 M W NORW NJ HUDSON 8-WD; JERSEY CITY 1920
Wife Anna 23 born Norway. She may have immigrated 1916, It is hard to read
Daughter Ethel 3 and son Aksel 1 ?/12 born New Jersey
Living at 16 Virginia Ave.
Carla
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Berta
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Posted - 16/09/2005 : 19:23:22
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Great Carla!
You don't have a picture of the censusinfo? And I do not know if it is possible to upload it here, but maybe I could read it?
One down, three to go! :)
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Berta
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Posted - 17/09/2005 : 09:59:31
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Carla!
Thank you for the copy of the census-record! I have looked at it, and I belive that Aksel's last name may be "Simensen" and not "Simonson". If you look at the "o" in "Hudson" on the top left corner, and then on Aksel's last name, I believe that the that the letter indicating the "e" or "o" is more like the "e" in "Aksel" than the "o" in "Hudson".
It was really great.
I was a bit taken by suprise when I read the cenus-record, because two housholds "lower" on the record it says that one head of the family is called "John Melby". And I thought, hmm.. this might be Aksel's younger brother, but then he only emigrated in 1924, he stated he was single, and the age of the John in the Cenus, is far from the age, which Aksel's brother would be.
But as I stated before:
Thank you once again!
One "down" - three to go!
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Berta
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Posted - 21/09/2005 : 11:35:30
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I have now gained information on "Uncle Teddy" and Elna Zacarina.
First "Uncle Teddy":
1920
112 W. 73rd Street, New York
Theodore Jorgensen , born Norway, 53 years, came to the US 1891, Naturalised 1918, unemployed
Olga, born Norway, 47 years, came to the US 1891, Naturalised 1918, Lodger
Children:
Theodore, age 9, born New York
Martha, age 9, born New York
1930
136W 73rd Street Manhattan, New York
Theodore, age 65, married at age 40, immigration 1892
Olga, age 57, married at age 33, immigration 1892, Lodger
Children:
Theodore, age 19, not married
Martha, age 18, not married
One of the lodgers: (1930)
Bolette Melleby, age 72, retired cook, born Norway, immigration 1888.
This all make sense. Olga may well be the sister of Zacarine Helga Rasmusdatter. The age is accurate. And Bolette may be their older cousin.
I have found the emigrationrecords for Olga in 1892, and she is at the time travelling with Bolette. But since neither the manifest or the emigrantprotocol gave any further information, I have to look in the parishrecords on information on their possible match.
But it does make sense.
And since Olga was a lodger, there was room for the Simensen children to stay there.
The Elnas possible destiny.
1930 Census
Manhattan ( do not know the adress)
Erling Wisnes, born in Norway, age 43
Elna Wisnes, born in Noway, age 25
married ca. 1929, no children. She immigrated 1926, he in 1906.
SSDI:
Elna Wisnes:
born: Febr. 18. 1904, Dead: Apr. 4th 1991
Last recidence: XX703 (U.S. Consulate: NORWAY (OSLO))
SSN# 129-14-8742
Issued: New York
So this may also be a match. But as I said, it also not confirmed.
Any further information is of course helpful
So.. the destiny and life of Rakel Gulette and John is still uncertain...
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Brining
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Posted - 21/09/2005 : 13:19:09
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Hi Berta, This maybe a connection to your Wisnes family. Click Here The query is from 1999 but still maybe worth trying to contact him.
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Berta
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Posted - 21/09/2005 : 21:58:26
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Hello Carla!
I think the last name may be wrong.It may be Winsnes.
I have not seen the original census record. So I think I have to check this out...
Thank you for the link, though!
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Berta
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Posted - 23/09/2005 : 09:05:57
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Elna Zacarines adress in 1930:
Nr41 - 5th Avenue, Manhattan New York.
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Berta
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Posted - 06/10/2005 : 17:57:32
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Hello everybody!
I am still looking for the Simensen/Melby siblings.
I have, from a nice person gotten pictures from New York at the adresses Olga and Theodor was living, according to the census-records.
But what happened to John, Aksel Halvard, Elna Zacarine and Rakel Gulette?
I would really appriciate the help, censuslookups etc..
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Posted - 07/10/2005 : 13:53:11
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Hi Berta, Is Elna Wisnes the Elna you were looking for? If so according to the SSDI record she died in Norway. You might try the US Consulate in Oslo to see if they have any records since that is where the death was reported to.
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Berta
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Posted - 07/10/2005 : 14:01:45
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OK., Carla! Is this what it mean? hmm.. but why is she ,, ahhh. she might just be visiting?
This I have to sort out!
Thank you for your tip!
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