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Kerry Bunting
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Australia
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 Posted - 17/12/2005 : 12:57:37
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My g-g-grandfather OLE CHRISTOFFERSEN came to NZ on the 1872 Hovding voyage with his second wife KARINE ENGEBRETSEN and two children by his first marriage AXEL and GUNDA.
I can find no record from IGI of Ole and Karine's marriage, nor of the death of his first wife MAREN GUDMENSEN. They lived in the Hedmark area; Ole was born in Odalen in 1830 and Karine in Hakadalen in 1849. Maren I think was born in Brandvald in 1832.
Axel and Maren (first wife) also had two more daughters and one of them, OLINE, supposedly came out on the second Hovding voyage, but I cannot find her on the passenger list. She would have only been 7 or 8, so had to travel with someone.
Any help with either of these mysteries would be greatly appreciated. |
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kaare n
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Norway
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Kerry Bunting
New on board
Australia
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Posted - 18/12/2005 : 02:04:31
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Thanks Kare, I had found that entry, which is how I knew of the existence of Oline and another daughter, and the area in which they lived.
Would still love to find out what happened to Maren and when Karine came on the scene.
Cheers
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DALB
Medium member
USA
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Posted - 20/12/2005 : 06:56:45
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A good contact would be the Solorlag at http://www.solorlag.org/. They have extensive research data for Hedmark. Or check out the LDS films Utflyttede for when your Maren left Brandvold, to give you a starting point.
- regarding Maren Gudmundsdatter from Brandvold, supposedly born in 1832
There are many girls with the name of Maren, born in Brandvold, but I found no Maren Gudmundsdatter born in 1832.
There are three Maren Gudmundsdatter's born in 1827 and 1828. I found nothing that indicates any of these are the one you are looking for.
I checked the Maren born 3 Aug 1828 at Jonsrud (and baptized 17 Aug 1828) to Gudmund Gudmundsen and Gunnild Simensdatter Jonsrud, who were married 28 Dec 1814.
A reference to this family in the Bygdebok - Brandval Boka II - page 466 - 467 Jonsrud -
After 1805 the owner was Gudmund Jonsen Lepeng and his son Gudmund Gudmundsen acquired it in inheritance after the father. It was auctioned off in 1832.
On 22 Nov 1832, a brother John was born at Koien Berger. (Christened 13 Jan 1833)
6 other siblings of this Maren are listed at - LDS - Familysearch - IGI
(The oldest child was born at Botner, the others at Broderud, Jonsrud and Koien Berger.)
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Alivia Knight
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New Zealand
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Posted - 02/04/2009 : 05:14:17
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I have found some information about a female who could possibly be Maren. The spelling of Gudmundsen could possibly have been altered as I have found in my own family history research this happens quite a lot. Ole Christoffersen (Lekvamb) was my G-G-G-Grandfather... so the "Maren Mystery" as I like to call it ;) is of great interest to me. Anyway kerry here are some things I've found, I wanted to run them by you and see what you think:
Searched parish registers for funerals after the census was taken:
1867 Ytre Rendal municipal
Funeral day 2106 (21 june)
Death day 1206 (12 june)
Firstname Maren
Lastname Gjermundsd. (gudmundsd.?)
Employment Inderstkone
Domicile Rugsveen
Age 33
link: http://www.rhd.uit.no/kirkebok/kbliste_e.aspx?kb=b&RR=13308
Makes sense as maren was supposedly born around 1832, if she died in 1867 that would have made her around 35 give or take a couple of years, depending on actual birth year. Thought I'd search births around 1834:
1834 Municipal Ytre Rendal
First name Maren
Sex: K(F)
Date baptised 25.05.34
Date Born: 02.05.34
Illegitimate/Legitimate:U
Fathers name Gjermund Gjermundsen
Employment:Ungk. og Gaardmandssøn
Domicile:Løvhougen
Mothers name Siri Haagensd.
Employment: Pige
Domicile: Undset
link: http://www.rhd.uit.no/kirkebok/kbliste_e.aspx?kb=d&RR=17121
What do you think? Gjermundsdatter could be alternate spelling of Gudmundsdatter?
Regards,
Alivia knight
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 02/04/2009 : 13:09:31
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Just in case it may be of interest, the baptismal records for the twins Oline and Gunda are #224&225
Karens record is #134
Their father Ole Christophersen was born Sept 13 1830, see 5th record from bottom of right hand page
whos parents were Christopher Haraldsen, Leqvang and Eli Olsdatter.
If their mother Maren Gudmundsdatter was born in Brandval, she must have been #32 problem is she was born June 30 1827 (not 1832 - which comes from the original 1865 census record stating that she was 34 years old). Marens parents were Gudmund Hansen and Anne Arnesdatter, Houger under Lystad.
Maren Gudmundsdatter moved out of Brandval to Skinderbøl in Vinger in 1855, see #3
In record #37 is stated that the reason for moving to Vinger was "at tjene her og ? giftes" - to work here and ? get married. (This was a wrong Maren)
Ole Kristofersen, Lekvatnet i Odalen and Maren Gudmundsdatter, Hauger i Brandval were married Sept 10 1857, see #51
Oles father was Kristofer Haraldsen and Marens father was Gudmund Hansen.
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Edited by - eibache on 03/04/2009 15:32:46 |
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Alivia Knight
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New Zealand
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Posted - 03/04/2009 : 00:37:53
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Thank you SO much for this!!!
I've noticed the occurance of "Lekvamb", "Lekvang" and "Lekvatnet" surrounding the family surnames - do you know whether this is part of the surname or was it an occupation or name of farm or some other thing? My Norsk isn't very good and I have googled them to no avail... if you have the answers they'd be much appreciated :) Also "Houger" translated to "Drifter" in english according to a norsk translation website - is this correct?
Many thanks. |
Edited by - Alivia Knight on 03/04/2009 01:22:55 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 03/04/2009 : 05:54:07
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| The words after the persons name are farm names. "Lekvamb", "Lekvang" and "Lekvatnet" is different spellings of the same farm. Houger same as Hauger (hills), Lystad and Skinderbøl are also farm names. |
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Edited by - eibache on 03/04/2009 19:37:51 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 03/04/2009 : 06:20:53
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I may not have found the correct answer to part of your mystery. Looking at my findings I notice that the Maren Gudmundsdatter who moved from Brandval to Vinger in 1855 is actually #62 and she was not your Maren.
It is strange that there were two Maren Gudmundsdatter from Brandval who were married to two? Ole Christoffersen from Odalen.
Sorry for making your mystery even bigger. |
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Edited by - eibache on 03/04/2009 15:33:47 |
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Alivia Knight
New on board
New Zealand
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Posted - 03/04/2009 : 09:48:22
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Eibache don't be sorry! You have given me valuable information about Ole Christoffersen's father's surname - I couldn't make it out when I viewed the baptism records - I knew his mother's name was Eli Olsdatter and that his father's name was Christoffer ???? But since you have told me it was Haraldsen I have been able to go ahead to trace the family back even further! Actually I was hoping to get some more expert advice from you! I found the following information from the 1801 census and I think this could well be the Christoffer Haraldsen and also Eli Olsdatter who parented him:
1801 Census 0418 Strøm (Odalen) Hedmark:
#1371 - Christopher HARALDSEN age 4 M
- This would have made him around 33 when Ole was born.
#1369 - Harald CHRISTOPHERSEN age 35 M Farmer
- I also note above his father from the same household to compare to possible marriage records.
In regard to possible Eli Olsdatter:
1801 Census 0423 Stange Hedmark:
Gard/Hus: Helsel Yttre
Ole ANDERS. 45 M
Anne OLSD. 47 K
Anders OLS. 11 M
Mallen OLSD. 9 K
Eli OLSD. 7 K - I am hoping this is Ole's Mother.
Maria OLSD. 4 K
Anyway I have tried searching through marriage records for Eli & Christopher's marriage but have not found anything. Help!? :)
I was hoping the marriage record would list Christopher and Eli's father's names at least so I could confirm that I have the right people.
If I do have it correct, then i may be able to trace the family back even further.
any help you can offer is much appreciated! |
Edited by - Alivia Knight on 03/04/2009 10:36:16 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 03/04/2009 : 16:09:30
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Christoffer Haraldsen you found in 1801 is an interesting one. Regarding Eli Olsdatter I don't think you have to go that far. In Grue/Brandval there was about 10 Eli Olsdatter with age 1-10 years in 1801. I believe one of these could be the one you are looking for. It will take quite a bit of searching to get the right one.
Marriage records would be beneficial. |
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Edited by - eibache on 03/04/2009 20:06:23 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 04/04/2009 : 12:13:45
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The Christoffer Haraldsen you found in 1801 census was confirmed in 1815, he was then 18 years old and his parents were at Skaare, see #2.
Look him up with http://www.familysearch.org and it will bring you ancesters which looks to be right.
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Alivia Knight
New on board
New Zealand
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Posted - 05/04/2009 : 12:04:23
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This is so wonderful - this is definately my family line! Thank you so much for all of your help - I now have 12 generations on paper starting with myself when previously I had only 6 generations known :)
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kbunting
New on board
Australia
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Posted - 02/01/2011 : 12:23:33
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| Alivia, could you please contact me regarding this line of search. Many thanks. email to kerry.bunting1@bigpond.com |
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Karen Garner
New on board
New Zealand
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Posted - 27/02/2011 : 05:07:41
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Hi Alivia,
My name is Karen Garner,
The Ole and Maren Christoffersen you have researching are my great great grand preants his son Alex was my great grandfather and Axels daughter Ivy was my grandmother.
Could you please ex plan to me where who fit into the family as we are planing a Christoffersen family reunion in New Zealand in September.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
My email address is
twogarners_pn@yahoo.co.nz
Thank You
Karen Garner
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