| Author |
 Topic  |
|
Carolyn Atkinson
Starting member
New Zealand
10 Posts |
 Posted - 29/03/2011 : 08:32:13
|
All I know about Carl is that he was born about 1859, his parents were Syver Evensen and Gurine Bergetta Gundersdotter and he may lao have had a sister Syverine Emilie Evensen. I can't find any record of him leaving Norway. I have tracked his sister Syverine to New Zealand on the 'Hovding' in 1872. Any help at all in tracing his emigration, year of travel, ships name and destination would be so appreciated.
Any/all help gratefully received
Carolyn |
c.a.atkinson |
|
|
eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
Posted - 29/03/2011 : 09:04:33
|
The baptismal record for Carl Lauritz Emil is #56, he was born Febr 20 1856. His parents were Syver Evensen and Gurine Birgitte Gundersdatter.
The mother was a widow in 1865.
See also Carl and Syverine.
Syverine was only 12 years in 1872, she travelled with her mother, who was then a married woman Gurine Johannesen, see 25267.
|
Einar |
Edited by - eibache on 29/03/2011 09:14:48 |
 |
|
|
eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
Posted - 29/03/2011 : 09:46:35
|
Syver Evensen and Gurine Birgitta Gunnersdatter were married Sept 14 1854, see #25.
Gurines second marriage was Nov 4 1867 when she married Ship carpenter Martin Johannesen, see #86.
Since her new husband is not recorded as a passenger on the Høvding, could he be one of the crew and could that possibly also be the case for Carl?
|
Einar |
|
|
|
Carolyn Atkinson
Starting member
New Zealand
10 Posts |
Posted - 29/03/2011 : 09:48:05
|
Eibache - Thank you very much! I am curious about the child Dagmar age 1 listed underneath Syverine on the census record. Is she also a Evensen? and what does 'pleiebarn' mean?
Was Gurine listed as a widow - again - on the immigration records? I see no Johannesen listed as travelling with her and Syverine.
Are you able to offer any other information?
Carl is a bit of a mystery man - his grandson [who is 86 now] has over many years tried to trace him but has not had much success. I would so like to be able to give him the missing information.
Carolyn |
|
|
|
Carolyn Atkinson
Starting member
New Zealand
10 Posts |
Posted - 29/03/2011 : 11:00:27
|
I can't find Gurine Johannesen or Martin Johannesen in New Zealand. No deaths or remarriages are listed and the Norsewood Museum in New Zealand has all the ships records and land records for the immigrants once they reached New Zealand and they aren't on them. I am confused as to why she has disappeared. Perhaps she died on the trip to New Zealand?
I can trace Syverine and her subsequent marriage and family.
As for Carl - definitely a mystery man!
Many thanks for the information you have supplied - I am grateful - and if you should find out anything about Carl I would be ecstatic!
Wishing and hoping....
Carolyn |
|
|
|
eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
Posted - 29/03/2011 : 14:27:51
|
quote:
what does 'pleiebarn' mean?
- a child belonging to someone else who's in the care of the person where it is recorded.
Gurine was recorded as married on the immigration listing, I have not seen any other info on her husband Martin Johannesen.
The missing info from 1865 census to when Carl was found in New Zealand can be like looking for the needle in a haystack - unless you are just blessed with pure luck.
|
Einar |
|
|
|
eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
Posted - 29/03/2011 : 15:54:03
|
Gurine Birgithe was born May 30 1829, see #53. Her parents were Gunder Olsen, Hærnæs and Berte Cecilie Olsdatter in Vaterland.
Syver Evensen was bor Sept 28 1826, see #66. His parents were Evend Pedersen and Guri Madsdatter, Schaweldeie.
|
Einar |
Edited by - eibache on 29/03/2011 16:06:43 |
|
|
|
Carolyn Atkinson
Starting member
New Zealand
10 Posts |
Posted - 30/03/2011 : 20:17:42
|
Many thanks for this information. It adds a little more to this family tree. I haven't given up hope of finding the elusive Carl Lauritz Emil Evensen and as time goes by and communication gets easier because of records being digitilised I may find my 'needle in the haystack'.
|
|
|
|
Carolyn Atkinson
Starting member
New Zealand
10 Posts |
Posted - 31/03/2011 : 23:02:52
|
| Is that right - Gurine has two fathers - Gunder Olsen and Haernaes ? Olsdatter? Can you please let me know as I am a bit confused. |
|
|
|
jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 31/03/2011 : 23:17:47
|
quote:
Originally posted by Carolyn Atkinson
Is that right - Gurine has two fathers - Gunder Olsen and Haernaes ? Olsdatter? Can you please let me know as I am a bit confused.
Not really...
Father: Gunder Olsen Hærnæs
Mother: Berte Cecilie Olsdatter
District: Vaterland in Oslo.
Hærnæs should be the name of the farm where Gunder Olsen originated from.
Jan Peter
|
|
|
|
Carolyn Atkinson
Starting member
New Zealand
10 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2011 : 00:46:49
|
| Ooh! sorry for being so silly. Many thanks for the correction. I am often confused by the language and also the naming customs.:-) |
|
|
|
eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2011 : 07:34:12
|
Gunder Olsen, 24 years old and Berthe Cecilie Olsdatter (widow), 29 years old were married Febr 15 1922, see #10.
Gunder was baptized March 4 1798, see 3rd baptism in 2nd column. His father was Ole Syversen.
The family in 1801.
|
Einar |
Edited by - eibache on 01/04/2011 09:13:38 |
|
|
|
Carolyn Atkinson
Starting member
New Zealand
10 Posts |
Posted - 06/04/2011 : 21:25:04
|
Many thanks for all your help. I am forwarding the information to other family members. I am very impressed by all the members of this site for their input.
I note that immigration/ships passenger lists seem to be a incomplete area of research so I hope that eventually I will find out more.
There is a piece of information I found [I can't remember where so there is no confirmation as to whether it is correct] that Carl may have sailed to New York on the 'Thingvalla' in 1887. If anyone can verify that or give me any more info I would be thrilled. |
|
|
|
jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 06/04/2011 : 22:17:15
|
One "Carl L Evensen" (26) arrived New York on the S/S Thingvalla on April 5th, 1887. Departuring Christiansand on March 17th....
I guess this is not your guy?
Jan Peter
|
|
|
|
Carolyn Atkinson
Starting member
New Zealand
10 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2011 : 09:13:47
|
Many thanks Jan Peter-
This is a interesting possibility-
If he falsified his age/birth details then it could be him. He would have been [in reality] 30 -31 years of age as he was born in 1856. This is the first lead I have had of my 'mystery man' but is he the right Carl Lauritz Emil Evensen? How likely is it that two people have the same name? If it was him why would he change his age/birth details?
Just for the record my Carl declared on his new Zealand application for Naturalisation in 1891 that he had been resident in New Zealand since 1887.
In the absence of any other records listing him departing Norway I will have to pursue this piece of information to American records until I can cross him off my list as being 'right name/wrong person'. |
|
|
|
hasto
Senior member
Norway
294 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2011 : 20:02:07
|
The emigrant in 1887 was more likely Carl Ludvig Evensen, born 1860 in Kristiansand, 1865 census and 1875 census.
- Well, may be not. If the 1887 emigrant was Carl Ludvig, he had a short stay in USA. In 1892 he had a daughter born in Kr.sand. The family is in Kr.sand in 1910 census., - and mentioned in another message board, another Carl Evensen
Many of the sailors that emigrated from Norway were not recorded in the emigration lists. They "jumped the ship".
|
Harald S Storaker
4586 Korshamn, Norge |
Edited by - hasto on 07/04/2011 20:48:56 |
|
|
|
Topic |
|
Carl Lauritz Emil Evensen
