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jwiborg
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 Posted - 16/03/2006 : 11:51:18
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Child #7
NN OLSEN
Male
Birth: 01 APR 1879 Gran, Oppland, Norway
Death: 01 APR 1879
Parents:
Father: PEDER OLSEN
Mother: KAREN OLSDR Link
1875: Ole
1876: Anders
1879: NN (male)
1881: Ole
1883: Marte
1885: Anne Marie
1889: Ingeborg
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Most likely Peder's illegitimate child with Marthe Johannesdatter Brokerud:
Ole Pedersen
Christening: 24 NOV 1872, Jevnaker, Oppland, Norway
Parents: Peder Olsen & Marte Johannesdatter Link
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TLarson
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Posted - 16/03/2006 : 16:31:53
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Wow lots of info! Thanks so much!
The picture I have of Marie by Ingeborgs gravestone was probably taken quite sometime after Ingeborgs death as Marie looks much older, and from what I can tell it says that she (Ingeborg) died in 1924, but the picture is small and dates are hard to read. But my mom and I both agreed that the date of birth was February 28! We weren't sure on the year thought maybe 1854 but if the records say 1889 then it must be that. Also the gravestone says Ingeborg P Ensrud so that would make Peder her father and that would make her Martha's sister so it would be the Ingeborg that you found as a child to Peder and Karen! Also you asked if the picure was taken in Norway, Yes I'm very positve that it was taken there as the words on the stone are in Norwegian and I don't think Marie ever came to America so it would have to be taken in Norway. Thanks so much Jan Peter! You've helped me find so much info I never thought I could find! One other thing I was wondering is, does the NN for the seventh childen indicate no name? I would guess it was born dead or died shortly after birth.
-Tim Larson
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/03/2006 : 17:06:09
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From the churchbook "Dead in Gran, Oppland 1924":
Dead 26-june-1924, burried 5-july-1924
ug husbestyrerinne (unmarried housekeeper) Ingeborg Pedersdr Ensrud
Born 1889-2-28
Address: Ensrud
Cause of death: Nyresykdom (kidney disease).
Note: Døde på Rikshospitalet etter operasjon. Died at Rikshospitalet hospital in Oslo after operation/surgery.
#8 (Kvindekjøn/females) here: Link
Yes, NN is for no name, and was something I wrote, cause the link at Familysearch didn't indicate any first name. The child died at the day of birth, so it was probably not given any christian name.
Jan Peter |
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TLarson
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Posted - 18/03/2006 : 07:32:41
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Hello again I just found the information below:
36-4 Hans F. Kolkind Montevideo MN
Born: October 4, 1863 in Gran. Emigration: In 1882, aboard the "Hanoverian." Residences: Chippewa County MN. Occupation: Farmer Church: The United Norwegian Lutheran Church. Married: Kjersti G Schjeager on March 4, 1900. She died on December 17, 1913. Children: Fredrik H. Kolkind, May 21, 1901. Parents: Farmer Fredrik H. Kolkind and Mari O. Ensrud. Siblings: Marthe F Berg, Gran; Bertha F Kolkind, Rudser ND; Mrs. Anne Hilden (deceased). Paternal Grandparents: Hans and Berte Morstad Maternal Grandparents: Ole Snellingen and Anne Ensrud. Father's Siblings: Painter Peder H Morstad; Jørgine Ødegaarden, Lunner; Mari Gippe, Chippewa County MN. Mother's Siblings: Peder O Ensrud, Mrs. H. Melaas, and Mrs. Lyngstad (half-sister).
This Hans F. Kolkind looks I would assume is the Hans Fredricksen that Martha was coming to when she came to America. Montevideo is not far from Watson,MN. And The Peder O Ensrud who is a brother to Hans's mother would make Hans a cousin to Martha assuming that it is her father Peder O Ensrud. This helps me to figure out a lot of info on other cousins that my great-grandmother had in this country if someone could verify the information on Hans's mother's siblings with the family listed in the Norwegian census I would greatly appreciate it! Just to make sure that the Peder O Ensrud-father to Martha had a sister named Mari!
-Tim Larson
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jwiborg
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Posted - 18/03/2006 : 10:44:25
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There is no need to "assume" anything anymore, didn't you see the burial of Ingeborg above??
And here is Peder O. Ensrud's sister Mari Olsdatter's christening record:
Mari, christening: 11 NOV 1832, Jevnaker, Oppland, Norway
Parents: Ole Halvorsen & Anne Larsdatter Link
(Ie. Ole Halvorsen Snellingen and Anne Larsdatter Ensrud)
Same parents as Peder...
Here they are on the Kolkind farm in Gran in census-1865.
Hans' christening record
Mari & Peder's sister Randi looks to be one of the Godfathers.
Siblings to Hans (from the database christened in Gran 1856 - 1874):
Birthe b. 23-APR-1857 (=Bertha F Kolkind)
Anne b. 06-NOV-1859 (=Mrs. Anne Hilden)
Marthe b. 06-JUL-1867 (=Marthe F Berg, Gran)
Jan Peter
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jwiborg
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Posted - 18/03/2006 : 11:23:51
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Mari Olsdatter Ensrud was christened on 11-NOV-1832 Link
Peder Olsen Ensrud is born 14-APR-1837 Link
Randi Olsdatter Ensrud is born 06-JUL-1840 Link
But who are Mrs. H. Melaas, and Mrs. Lyngstad (half-sister)? 
Randi is not a half-sister, so could she be Mrs. H. Melaas? Maybe it reads Mrs. R. Melaas?
Here is Randi Olsdatter, born 1840 in Gran, living on Melaas farm in Lunner, Oppland in census-1900! Lunner is neighbouring parish to Gran. Link
Marthe's sister Ingeborg/Ingebør (28-FEB-1889 - 26-JUN-1924) is living there! Randi is her aunt. Position in family reads "søsterdatter" (Sister-daughter), but it should say Brother-daughter, because she's the daughter of Randi's brother, not sister. Here last name Pedersdatter is ok.
To find Mrs. Lyngstad looks to be more of a challenge, since we don't know her first name or age.
There are people named Lyngstad living in Gran in census-1900, but there are also farms by that name in Gran.
And without knowing her first name, it's a challenge... :-)
She could be a Olsdatter in the census, if Ole Halvorsen is her father. But she could also be anyhing else, if her mother was Anne Larsdatter, and father is (so far) unknown.
Christened in Jevnaker, with father = Ole Halvorsen or mother = Anne Larsdatter:
Marte, christening: 23 JUN 1833, Jevnaker, Oppland, Norway. Parents: Ole Halvorsen & Guri Christiansdatter
Tolline, christening: 25 APR 1834, Jevnaker, Oppland, Norway. Parents: Ole Halvorsen & Lisbet Hansdatter
Maren, christening: 17 NOV 1836, Jevnaker, Oppland, Norway. Parents: Anders Gundersen & Anne Larsdatter
Both Marte & Tolline have siblings, so they are "out"... Could not find any siblings to Maren, but I dont believe she would be the right one. If so, Anne Larsdatter would be unfaithful, which was very uncommon those days. I believe this half-sister would be born before marriage, ie. older than Mari born 1832. The records for Jevnaker at Familysearch.org starts with 1832, so she would not be there if she's born in Jevnaker...
There's no illegitimate girl in the database Christened i Gran 1824 - 1842 with father Ole Halvorsen or mother Anne Larsdatter, so my guess is that this Mrs. Lyngstad is born around 1830 in Jevnaker...
Snellingen is a farm in Jevnaker, and it's probably Ole's brother Peder Halvorsen Snellingen who lives on the Snellingen farm in census-1865: Click here Peder is born ca 1790.
Since there is no trace on any illegitimate girl of Anne Larsdatter among christening records in Gran, it looks like Mrs. Lyngstad could be a daughter of Ole Halvorsen Snellingen, and born in Jevnaker before 1832...
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jwiborg
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Posted - 18/03/2006 : 13:56:10
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Ole Halvorsen (b. ca 1796) & brother Peder Halvorsen (b. ca 1793) on the Snellingen farm in census-1801: Link
Parents are Halvor Olsen (b. ca 1759) & Mari Pedersdatter (b. ca 1763)
Jan Peter
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jwiborg
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Posted - 18/03/2006 : 14:05:15
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Looking at Marthe's christening record once more, some of the Godfathers makes more sence...
Girl Marte Fredriksdatter is the sister to Hans Fredriksen Kolkind. She lived at the farm Flaagen in 1883. Cousin to Marthe.
Farmer Hans Olsen Melaas is Randi's husband. Uncle to Marthe.
Jan Peter
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jwiborg
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Posted - 18/03/2006 : 15:07:33
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Mrs. Lyngstad's name is Johanne!
And she's married to Hans Andersen Lyngstad.
Here is the christening record of their daughter Johanne Maria, born 10-JAN-1863. Aunt Randi Olsdatter Ensrud (Melaas) is again one of the Godfathers...
The reason I found this, is that I saw that Anders Hansen Lyngstad was one of the Godfathers at Hans Fredriksen's christening...
Here they are at the Lyngstad farm in Gran in census-1865
Johanne is born ca 1824 in Jevnaker! But there is a mismatch between the census and the christening record, in the census she is named Pedersdatter.
They have 10 children christened in Gran 1842-1874, and she's named Pedersdatter in 9 of the records, and named Olsdatter when Johanne Maria is born.
Hans Andersen & Johanne married in Gran 20-JUN-1969. Link
Something is strange about the marriage date. I find it strange that they married after having 9 children... Marthea is born 25-DEC-1857 and christened 02-MAY-1869, 12 years old...? And census-1865 says they're married.. And when Anders is born in 1848, he is a legitimate child..
Children;
Anders b. 07-DEC-1848
Anne b. 01-OCT-1850
Peder 10-MAY-1853
Elina b. 19-SEP-1855
Marthea b. 25-DEC-1857
Lise b. 31-MAY-1860
Johanne Maria b. 10-JAN-1863
Julius b. 14-OCT-1865
Olaf b. 02-AUG-1868
Martinius b. 17-SEP-1872
Being a Olsdatter, Johanne Lyngstad's father would probably be Ole Halvorsen Snellingen.
Being a Pedersdatter, Johanne Lyngstad's mother would probably be Anne Larsdatter Ensrud...
Hmmm... where's the missing link between Mrs. Johanne Lyngstad and Peder Olsen Ensrud...? To solve this "mystery" you need to either a) look up her wedding record with Hans Andersen or b) look up Johanne's christening record from Jevnaker, Oppland ca 1824...
There is a record of one Hans Andersen & Johanne Pedersdatter getting married in Gran on 13-JUN-1848 Link
That could be them...
Jan Peter |
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TLarson
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Posted - 18/03/2006 : 17:10:12
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Thanks so much Jan for all your help in finding this info about my great-grandmother's family! I appreciate it very much. Everything just kind of ties together when you find a lot of info!
Thanks again!
-Tim Larson |
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TLarson
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Posted - 21/03/2006 : 16:19:47
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Hello again
I am wondering if any information could be found on Mrs. Anne Hilden who was a sister to Hans Kolkind. I know she is listed as deceased on the information I found for Hans so I don't know if anything can be found or not. I know that my great-grandmother had cousins who were referred to as the Hilden sisters, so apparently Anne had daughters. But I really don't know much about them.
-Tim Larson |
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TLarson
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Posted - 22/03/2006 : 06:12:51
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Hi,
I was just looking through a box of old pictures and found an obituary for Anne Hilden, it reads as follows:
Mrs. Andrew H Hilden died at her home, near Watson, last Saturday, Jan. 14, having been ill only a couple of days. She attended a meeting of the Ladies' Aid society the Thursday before she died; but was seized with pneumonia the evening of the same day. Her general health, however, had been poorly for the last ten years. Mrs. Hilden, whose maiden name was Miss Anna Kolkjen, was born in Norway November 6, 1860. She came to America with her parents in 1872. In 1881, she was married to Andrew H. Hilden. Her husband and nine children survive her.
The funeral took place Wednesday, Jan. 18 at 2 p. m. at the United Lutheran Church, where Rev. Mr. Syrdal preached the funeral sermon. The church was appropriately decorated for the occasion, and there was a profusion of floral offerings. Seldom has there been a larger audience present at a funeral in the Watson church.
Mrs. Hilden was an exceptionally good woman, loved by her family and highly estimed by neighbors and friends.
If the above information sparks any ideas I would appreciate any help!
-Tim Larson
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TLarson
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Posted - 22/03/2006 : 06:27:08
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Hello again,
I just found a picture that was taken at Peter Lyngstad's funeral in Aberdeen, South Dakota in 1944. Would that be the Peter (Peder) who was a son to Hans and Johanne?
-Tim Larson |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 22/03/2006 : 09:27:28
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Hi,
Aberdeen is in Brown county, so I would guess your Peter Lyngstad is this one:
Peter A. Lyngstad, born ca 1886. (see records from Ancestry.com below)
That means he can not be this Peder who lives on the Lyngstad farm in Gran in census-1865.
You should take into consideration that it's not 100% confirmed that Johanne is the same as this half-sister Mrs. Lyngstad, since you don't know this Johanne's parents yet...
But Mrs. Lyngstad should be originating/married with someone from this Lyngstad farm(s) in Gran, Oppland. You don't know here age, husband, children or something? Could this Peter be her husband or child?
From Ancestry.com:
Name: Peter A Lyngstad
Birth: abt 1886 - location
Residence: <city>, Hennepin, Minnesota
1920 United States Federal Census Record Census
Name: Peter A Lyngstad
Residence: <city>, Hennepin, Minnesota
World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 Record
Name: Peter A Lyngstad
Birth: abt 1885
Residence: <city>, Brown county, South Dakota
1930 United States Federal Census Record Census
Name: Peter Lyngstad
Death: dd mm 1944 - Brown county, South Dakota
South Dakota Death Index, 1905-1955 Record
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jwiborg
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Posted - 22/03/2006 : 10:00:59
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Hi again,
Ole Peter Andersen Lyngstad (18) from Gran, emigrating to Minnesota on 3rd of July, 1903: Link
From the Christening records in Gran 1880 - 1888:
Ole Peter, born 11-mar-1885, christened 05-apr-1885
Parents: Anders Hansen Lyngstad b. 1849 and Else Larsdatter b. 1856 Link
Here is his mother Else, siblings Anna b.1887, Hans b. 1879 and Ingeborg b. 1877 on the Lyngstad farm in Gran in census-1900. Else/Elise is a widow, so husband Anders Hansen Lyngstad is dead.
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