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vvassar
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 Posted - 13/08/2015 : 16:47:31
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So she never knew he left the kids?! Where did he go??? This is slightly frustrating. And really, really interesting.
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Originally posted by Kåarto
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Originally posted by vvassar
That's an awful lot of people for one household, isn't it? Was it a large farm?
Frydeberg was not a farm, it was a large house under farm nr 10.
If Anderas Andreassen owned or leased the house I do not know.
There were 3 families living there.
Andreas was a carpenter at Fredrikstad Mecanical Workshop (building ships)
Look above the Houshold members;
Notes (for Maren Andreassen) X) Manden 18 år i Amerika "Her husband 18 years in America.
That correspond well With the 1883 emigration 
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 13/08/2015 : 17:08:43
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Onsøy 1926:
Died April 30, buried mai 7. Laborers wife Maren Kristine Mathisen, divorced, b. 1852 5. months and 18 days born in Østre Fredrikstad living on Onsøy Nurcing home. Cause of death: Cancer in the liver, see lover part #11
There should be a probate after her where heirs are mentioned.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 13/08/2015 : 17:19:21
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Originally posted by vvassar
So she never knew he left the kids?! Where did he go??? This is slightly frustrating. And really, really interesting.
I Guess she never knew, probably the best for her.
Sad reading, about her and the children.
When studying genealogy one can wonder of all the coincidences that led to that one at all has been born.
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vvassar
Junior member
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Posted - 13/08/2015 : 17:36:26
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Divorced? Was it assumed, since he had been gone so long? Did he make it back and file? So many questions.
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Originally posted by Kåarto
Onsøy 1926:
Died April 30, buried mai 7. Laborers wife Maren Kristine Mathisen, divorced, b. 1852 5. months and 18 days born in Østre Fredrikstad living on Onsøy Nurcing home. Cause of death: Cancer in the liver, see lover part #11
There should be a probate after her where heirs are mentioned.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/08/2015 : 18:45:27
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Not sure what "inten" means here is her probate #46:
Source information: Østfold county, Onsøy lensmann, Dødsfallsprotokoll 4 (Ha 0004), 1919-1926, oppb: Statsarkivet i Oslo.
Permanent page-link: http://arkivverket.no/URN:sk_read/27594/206/
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Kåarto
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Posted - 13/08/2015 : 19:19:32
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Etterlater intet, fattigunderstøttet
She leaves nothing, supported by the welfare agency.
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vvassar
Junior member
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Posted - 13/08/2015 : 19:44:56
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| Where do you suppose we should look for Herman Ludwig? I'm going to try to search both US outgoing and Norway incoming when I get home... I wonder if we can find where he disappeared to. |
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jkmarler
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USA
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Posted - 13/08/2015 : 21:47:56
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Here is a possible for Herman in the 1865 census. It would be an incredibly brave (or foolhardy?)venture to be taking babies over the ocean to an unknown fate in US. Perhaps he had relatives who already came here?
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01037999002259
The Norwegian record of their departure gives their destination as Stephenson and there is a Stephenson in Michigan again in the U.P, |
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JaneC
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Posted - 13/08/2015 : 21:59:34
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| I thought the same thing about Herman Ludvig, Jackie. Many Norwegian fathers emigrated ahead of wife and children, to be unencumbered as they sought a livelihood and a place to live. Imagine a man alone trying to accomplish that, with those little ones in tow. That emigration record seems to express his determination. Don't know until we know, but one guess is he was not of a mind to lightly abandon his children. He already had a chance to do that - but didn't. Instead he undertook the additional expense of the children's passage, and the care of them as well. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/08/2015 : 22:13:25
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Back at the beginning of this topic, the original poster mentioned that Ludvig left the children with a Halvor Gulbrandson of Stephenson Michigan. This is likely that person.
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Before Severin & his brother were placed in the State School, they had been placed in a home belonging to Halver Gulbranson of Stephenson Michigan, which according to your information was the destination of the family.
Halvor Guldbrandson
in the 1910 United States Federal Census
Name: Halvor Guldbrandson
[Halvor Gulbrandsen]
[Halvor Gulbrandson]
Age in 1910: 59
Birth Year: abt 1851
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1910: Stephenson, Menominee, Michigan
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1872
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Caroline Guldbrandson
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Halvor Guldbrandson 59
Caroline Guldbrandson 59
Martin O Guldbrandson 16
Jennie Olson 23
Theodore Olson 0
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Irene Swansen 4
John Swanson 7
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/08/2015 : 22:24:01
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In 1880 he was single and a farmer. That is only 3 years before the arrival of Ludvig and four chldren. Strange that he would leave the children with a bachelor farmer. Maybe he was married by theon?
Halver Gillbronson
in the 1880 United States Federal Census
Name: Halver Gillbronson
Age: 29
Birth Year: abt 1851
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1880: Stephenson, Menominee, Michigan
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Living on the next farm is a Martin, maybe his brother?
Name: Martin Gillbronson
Age: 31
Birth Year: abt 1849
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1880: Stephenson, Menominee, Michigan
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Nor
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jkmarler
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/08/2015 : 22:36:32
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I did not find Halvor in the Michigan marriage data base, but I did find Martin.
Martin Gulbrandson
in the Michigan, Marriage Records, 1867-1952
Name: Martin Gulbrandson
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birth Year: abt 1848
Birth Place: Norway
Marriage Date: Jun 1895
Marriage Place: Stephenson, Menominee, Michigan, USA
Age: 47
Residence Place: Stephenson, Michigan
Father: Gulbrand Jacobson
Mother: Bertha Gulhbrand??
Spouse: Christina Oleson
Spouse Gender: Female
Spouse Race: White
Spouse Age: 28
Spouse Birth Place: Norway
Spouse Residence Place: Stephenson, Michigan
Spouse Father: Oleson
Spouse Mother: Eli Christiaman
Record Number: 50
Film: 55
Film Description: 1895 Macomb - 1895 Washtenaw
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/08/2015 : 22:42:00
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And making a slight leap, this is likely the baptism of Halver brother of Martin, same parents. Born in Akershus. Hard to imagine that they knew one another in Norway, the distance beween Akershus and Fredrikstad is at least 100 miles.
Halvor Guldbrandsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Halvor Guldbrandsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 21 feb 1851
Baptism Date: 11 mai 1851 (11 May 1851)
Baptism Place: Aurskog, Akershus, Norway
Father: Guldbrand Jacobsen
Mother: Berte Guldbrandsdr
FHL Film Number: 255798
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vvassar
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 13/08/2015 : 22:42:54
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| I am turning up nothing on Ancestry for Herman Ludwig Mathisen, Ludwig Mathisen, Ludvig Mathisen, in either the US or Norway. |
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Great Grandfather Severin Ludvigson origins?
