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ddwebb
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 Posted - 01/11/2006 : 18:27:01
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 My great grandfather came to the US and from what I know is he possibly changed his name a little.
I know him as Abraham G. Thompson, he was born in Farsund, Norway 8/7/1864 and I hear that he sailed to the US approx 14 years later so that would put it around 1878.
He married another Farsund gal by the name of Eilena "Lena" Watney, her DOB: 7/5/1865
They had lots of children and one was my grandfather: Alton Grant Thompson: dob 7/14/1912 in Denver, Colorado.
I do not know when exactly he came to the US nor the ship he was on.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 01/11/2006 : 20:13:54
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Abraham Gotfred Tønnesen
Birth: 07 Aug 1864, christening 28 Aug 1864, Vanse, Vest-Agder, Norway
Parents: Tønnes Andreas Gabrielsen & Sophie Ephergine Abrahamsdr
Here he is at the Nordhassel nedre farm in Farsund og Vanse parish, Vest-Agder county, census 1865.
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ddwebb
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Posted - 01/11/2006 : 20:21:02
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Thanks so much.
Can you tell me what ship or port he may have left from and where he landed in the US?
All I have is that he may have sailed from his age of 14 thru 17 and that he may have worked on a vessel. So that would put it at approx 1878 to 1881 area.
What about his future wife: Eilena “Lena” Watney 7-5-1885? Any information you can find please.
If I wanted to do additional research on the parents, where would I go to find that?
Thanks again. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 01/11/2006 : 20:37:30
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Hi,
no, I haven't found him in any emgration records from Norway (yet...)
He would most likely have entered America in one of the three possibilities Quebec, Boston or New York, e.g Castle Garden.
An interesting note about his mother Sophie Abrahamsdr and her sister (Abrahams aunt) Kristine V. Abrahamsdtr living at the neighbouring farm also called Nordhassel nedre;
"These two periodically mentally sick wifes are sisters"
I'll have a look for Eilena “Lena” Watney ...
Jan Peter
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ddwebb
Starting member
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Posted - 01/11/2006 : 20:38:56
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What do these terms or words mean:
Disease: sindssvag
Remarks: Disse to periodisk sindssvage Koner ere Søstre
Occupation: Grdbr Selveier
Family Position: Husf (husband?) & Hans Kone (wife?) & Hans Son (son?)
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ddwebb
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Posted - 01/11/2006 : 20:42:35
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| It looks like the fathers first name: Tonnes was my GGfathers last name with 'sen' added to it and his first name came from his mothers last name? |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 01/11/2006 : 20:58:52
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Yes, thats' how the "naming convention" was in Norway those days... , it's the same as if your son called himself Dougson, meaning "son of Doug"... 
So Abraham called himself Tønnesen, because he was the son of Tønnes.
Sophie is a "Abrahamsdr", because she is the daughter of someone named Abraham. So your Abraham is most likely named after his maternal grandfather.
Disease: sindssvag mentally ill, mad
Remarks: Disse to periodisk sindssvage Koner ere Søstre. These two periodically mentally sick wifes are sisters. (see posting above)
Occupation: Gårdbruker, Selveier Farmer, homeowner
Family Position: Husfader (Head of family) & Hans Kone (His wife) & Hans Son (His son) Should prob. have been their son, because Sophie is listed as mother at the christening record.)
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Edited by - jwiborg on 01/11/2006 21:22:20 |
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ddwebb
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Posted - 01/11/2006 : 20:59:34
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| If I wanted to do some research on the parents, what site and how would I choose what to enter? Could I go to the same site you have listed above and enter a name such as his father (gabriel)? Doing that provides 154 hits and I have no idea how to read them to detemine what I am looking at? |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 01/11/2006 : 21:14:56
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Well, the Norwegian 1865-census contain 2411 persons named Gabriel, so you'll have a hard time, going through them one by one, to find Tønnes' father...
And if you find one. you'll never find a proof that he is the one you're looking for, because how can you relate him to your Abraham?
The best way to go back in generations are by looking up a christening record of someone you know, and then try to find the parent's marriage record or something, Maybe then you'll find a hint or a clue about their homeplace, farmname, father of the bride or groom etc... You'l find some links to different achives and online Norwegian databases here on this site, but be aware that there are a lot of registers not available online.
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ddwebb
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Posted - 01/11/2006 : 21:22:37
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They make it difficult those days. Is this common practice in 2006 the way the names are spelled and how you take on family names and such?
I really appreciate your help in doing this amount of research for me.
I need to get a cheat sheet on the spelling of what is on these pages and their meanings and try to learn it and then maybe I might be able to figure this out but probably not since most of the Norway pages I have looked at are not in English. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 01/11/2006 : 21:43:25
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No, the tradition that you took your father's first name and added a sen (for men) or datter (abbrev. dtr or dr) for women, ended more than 100 years ago in Norway.
But, this tradition are still the main naming convention for men and women on Iceland!
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ddwebb
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Posted - 01/11/2006 : 21:51:07
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Be my luck trying to research this in Norway, it will lead to Iceland.
I know Abraham Thompson (Tonnesen) moved to the US in or around 1880 and died here.
But as you can see, I at this linkage and your help, I could not find his father nor any other information on him.
I have over 16000 names from different roots from various families that are in somewhat related to each other going back to the 1700's and some were started in England and now Norway. |
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Hopkins
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Hopkins
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Hopkins
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Posted - 02/11/2006 : 15:47:57
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From the 1865 census entry we know that Abraham G. Tønnes. father was Tønnes A. Gabriels. who was born about 1829-1830 in Vanse. GREAT info to start the search for earlier information.
Quite a few of the church records for Farsund and Vanse have been scanned and are available on the Digitalarkivet website -- but not yet including baptisms for the period including 1829-1830. So what else might help?
A 'work-around' --
Well, at about the age of 14 we'd expect to see a confirmation record for Tønnes A. Gabriels. and that should have happened about 1843 (give or take). The Vanse church book covering the period 1835-1843 IS INCLUDED in the online scanned collection!! So you can look through those one page at a time looking for him and his parents names should be listed.
YES, on page 221! In the confirmation class of 21 April 1844 Tønnes Andreas, born or baptised 1/11/1829 (remember that is 1 NOV 1829, not the unique American reversal of month first), son of Gabriel Olsen and Torborg Nielsdatter of Midhassel? farm in Vanse. [Vest-Agder fylke, Vanse, Ministerialbok nr. A 9 (1835-1846), Konfirmerte 1844, side 221.]
There is no totally satisfactory substitute for personally researching the actual record (or facsimile). The 1829 baptismal records will be available on LDS microfilm and I'd recommend that you still check those for that important record.
The next earlier step on that particular ancestral line?? The marriage record for Gabriel Olsen and Torborg Nielsdatter could be expected to give information about their ages and thereby give you a hint as to what time period to search for their baptismal records. When would they marry?? Well, before Nov 1829. If those are not online - then check the LDS library catalog and order a likely microfilm of records - OR just sit and wait for more scanned records to be made available. (Being impatient, I prefer to order microfilm. And you would probably find me checking through the other online confirmation records before and after 1844 looking for any other mention of parents Gabriel Olsen and Torborg Nielsdatter - collecting siblings is always interesting.)
Could Gabriel Olsen still be alive for the 1865 census? maybe?? but of course the following is only a weak 'hunch' and needs proving --
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=9&filnamn=f61041&gardpostnr=424&sokefelt=skjul
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ddwebb
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Posted - 02/11/2006 : 17:15:39
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Thanks.
I guess my biggest question now is: is the name Tonnes the proper last name?
My mother seems to think that Abraham Thompson, my great-grandfather came to the US under a different spelling, possibly Thompkinson? But she has no other info other than a possible rememberence. Nothing is written down anywhere that she has.
But doing research on his birth - 8/7/1864, location of his birth being Farsund, Norway and that he left Norway between the age of 14-17.
He married a Norway lady by name of Eilena "Lena" Watney, born: 8/7/1866 in Farsund, Norway. What was Lena's name in Norway?
I nor anybody else has found anything else under the other name of Thompkinson (sen)?
So the name of Tonnes stands out as the biggest possibility as it meets all the requirements of place and dob.
Someone found a Lena Olsen that matches the date that Abraham and Lena got married: 7/5/1885 in Iowa on the LDS website.
Although the spelling of the last name of Abraham is spelled a little different - Thompsen vs Thompson, could be a typo.
Doing my research on LDS on these names and everybodies help thus far, I have compiled the following:
Tonnes Andreas Gabrielsen:
Source: Listaboka II, under MidtHassel, page 748
Parents: Gabriel Andreas Olsen 1785-1869 – dob: 5/24/1785?? Vesthassel, Vanse, Vest-Agder, Norway
Wife: Torborg Nilsdatter, died 1843 age 66, approx birth: 1777
Children:
Maren
Oline Gesine dob: 1813
Ole: dob: 1816
Dortea: dob: 1820
Kristen: dob: 1823
Tonnes Andreas: dob: 1829
Parents of Gabriel Andreas Olsen
Possibly??
Father: Ole Christensen Midhassel
Birth: 11/9/1739 in Midhassel, Vanse, Vest-Agder, Norway
Death: 6/24/1824 in Midhassel, Vanse, Vest-Agder, Norway
Mother: Guri Guttormsen
Birth: 8/21/1745 in Vesthassel, Vanse, Vest-Agder, Norway
Death: 6/22/1834
Marriage to Ole Midhassel on 9/29/1767 in Vanse, Vest-Agder, Norway
Parents of Ole Christensen Midhassel
Father: Christen Olsen Midhassel
Mother: Signe Jenssen Rodland
Parents of Guri Guttormsen
Father: Guttorm Annonsen Vesthassel
Mother: Madli Andersen
Sophie Ephergine Abrahamsdr notes:
Source: In Listaboka II, page 729 under VestHassel we find:
Abraham Larsen 1784 – 1852, 1809 married Engel Nilsdatter Tjørve 1786 - 1847.
Children: Engel Kristine 1809 - 1872,
Trine Elisabeth 1811 -23,
Kristine Verdine 1813,
Lars Tobias 1816 - 65,
Sofie Evergine 1819,
Anne Elisabet 1821 - 53,
Nils 1823 - 42,
Ole Kristian 1825
Andreas Wessel 1829
Pauline Joakime 1832.
It also says they also owned a farm on Nedre Nordhassel which was split among the three daughters.
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