Thanks Kåre. Bottom line, this is a personal quest and no one's preferences matter except the people directly involved. About Kåre's link. Seems this project coordinates with Family Tree DNA service (FTDNA), the service we've talked about. Am I reading that right?
Hi Jane. I am uncertain how the DNA project works, and its quite complicated to explain, but the number who sign up are increasing.
Interesting to read how someone who suspected that his great-great grandfathers father was incorrect rec. in the church book.
From family information and comparison with a cousin who also was a descendant after his g.g grandfather, and from the DNA test he found out that his suspicion was correct, though he found it inappropriate to suspect his grandmother.
If you get a hit, a DNA calculater can calculate the percentage of how many generations back is was since you had a common ancestor.
Kåre
Hello Kåre.
It's a veritable 'minefield'...Cousin Frank and I have done some research, but, as neither of us are complete idiots, I came away from the research feeling like one..!
DNA is universally known, used, but understood..? That's a different kettle of herrings.
After awaiting a reply from New Scotland Yard, London. With regard to an accredited list of their DNA Labs. I have been referred to the Home Office.
Without seeming too much of a grump, before the time of computers, etcetera, our inquiries were made by personal visits, telephones and with the aid of and pen and paper. The system worked.
Now the marvellous technology (the Internet) is with us, in certain circumstances the process of investigation seems to have grown to achieve ones goal. To me things appear to have regressed.
Moan over..!
I have made my feelings known to the faceless operator on The N.S.Y. website.
Received earlier this morning from the British Army researcher.
Dear Derek
I am pleased to be able to tell you I have completed my research into Christian Tompson and can report as follows –
I searched in record classes WO363 & WO364 which contain the surviving service records for First World War other ranks. I was unable to trace anything under his birth name here or in medal records. I then tried some alternatives and found that he actually enlisted as Christopher Thompson! However his correct first and last names are noted on a couple of occasions within the record.
One thing I noticed where his widow on the form she sent to the war Office applying for a pension she notes at the bottom “My husband drowned at sea. None of his people ever know”
Now to frustrate you further in your search for your ancestry in Norway he ststed he was born in Ramsgate! He probably gave this information as he was afraid he may be rejected for service if not born in the UK.
Medal card – This shows he was awarded the British War and Victory medals in respect of his wartime service. He served in the Royal Garrison artillery.
If you have any questions or queries please do not hesitate in contacting me.
I am sending the images via Hightail (formerly YouSendIt) which is an internet based file transfer system. You will shortly receive an email from YSI advising you that they have a transmission and giving the instructions for downloading.
In the past, the name Hightail has been mistaken for spam, but it is not and indeed is a very reputable organisation.
If you have any difficulty with Hightail please contact me and I shall advise you. Please let me know you have received them safely or if you have not received a notification email within 24 hours.
Regards
Lawrence
I am at present poring over the Army records of Cristian...so far what I have seen is truly fascinating.
Below are the details of my maternal Grandfathers death.
It is believed he travelled to UK (Ramsgate, Kent) at the turn of the 19th century from an unknown Norwegian location....There is also a memorial plaque dedicated to 'Campanula' in the Seaman's Church, Royal Harbour Ramsgate. Interestingly my Grandfather's name is shewn: Christine Thompson.
A thought: Do we know what record was used in identifying the names to be included on the monument? I can't recall, but I'll scan it to see if that came up. Could "Christine Thompson" come from a record for Christin E Thompson?
Derek, wonderful news from your researcher. Doesn't help with the search for him in Norway, unfortunately, but does add much to your understanding of Christian's life.
Below are the details of my maternal Grandfathers death.
It is believed he travelled to UK (Ramsgate, Kent) at the turn of the 19th century from an unknown Norwegian location....There is also a memorial plaque dedicated to 'Campanula' in the Seaman's Church, Royal Harbour Ramsgate. Interestingly my Grandfather's name is shewn: Christine Thompson.
A thought: Do we know what record was used in identifying the names to be included on the monument? I can't recall, but I'll scan it to see if that came up. Could "Christine Thompson" come from a record for Christin E Thompson?
Derek, wonderful news from your researcher. Doesn't help with the search for him in Norway, unfortunately, but does add much to your understanding of Christian's life.
Thank-you Jane,
I believe the names of Campanula were supplied by the parent company to her. The misnomer could have been entered in error by the sign writer.
NB – Given that 3.jpg (army record)shows Cristian’s age as 33 years, 245 days and was apparently completed on 4 July 1916, we should be able to work out his precise date of birth, yes? (which I don’t think we have so far done) But 1.jpg was completed on (what appears to be) 31 JUL 1916. However, it still shows the same 33 years, 245 days. Given the manuscript amendments to the form it looks to me as if he enrolled on 4 July and joined (his unit) on 31 July. In which case his 33 years, 245 days would presumably apply as at 4 July 1916. What do you think? …. which, having run it through http://www.timeanddate.com/date/dateadd.html (I was never good at sums!) calculates his birth date as 2 November 1882. But please cross-check in case I’ve got that wrong or used an incorrect assumption. (Why couldn’t they have asked is people’s birth dates!?) However, that birth date coincides exactly with one ………. Kristian Elias. Breakthrough?????!!!
YES indeed Frank. I have checked your mathematics with your marvellous link and agree. (also the old fashioned way...abacus)..! 2nd November, 1882 (not a leap year) was a Thursday.
The above dates come from Cristian's Army records. It is not a scientific account but his joining date is recorded (documented) as above.
Working back from that may be his apparent date of birth which matches Kristian Elias.
Kristian Elias had a father Daniel; Cristian Tompson stated his father as Donald (on marriage record). Below, interesting comment made here on Norway Heritage today, by a person in the UK, about a person who is "Dan" and also "Donald." I'm reading this as a clue that "Daniel" and "Donald" indeed can be a Norwegian and English version of the same person. Well, that was discussed, but it's always good to see other examples. http://www.norwayheritage.com/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5992
Kristian Elias had a father Daniel; Cristian Tompson stated his father as Donald (on marriage record). Below, interesting comment made here on Norway Heritage today, by a person in the UK, about a person who is "Dan" and also "Donald." I'm reading this as a clue that "Daniel" and "Donald" indeed can be a Norwegian and English version of the same person. Well, that was discussed, but it's always good to see other examples. http://www.norwayheritage.com/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5992
Derek, what is your next step regarding the DNA track? The grandson of Peder & Petra has been informed about this search, and was not averse to genetic testing. I'm awaiting a response from him.
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