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Kaiser
Junior member
Norway
39 Posts |
 Posted - 08/01/2018 : 08:39:57
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| I admit I'm not the most patient and best searcher but I've at least tried to find Sevald Martin Pettersen. His family name can also be Petersen or Pedersen. He was from the Hadsel area in northern Norway and born June 7, 1887 and emigrated to the USA and according to rumours lived his life in Oregon where he married and had at least one son maybe named Ronald. Any keyboard detectives who can help me? |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Kaiser
Junior member
Norway
39 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2018 : 14:09:49
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Dear veteran and honored keyboard detective! Spot on! It's him in the Norway census but as usual here I've no information at all when he went to America but based on his year of birth my best estimate is around 1900-5 He's on geni.com but it aint much help there either.
https://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000038570991824. It's time for a miracle now. Best regards from Kaiser |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2018 : 14:41:56
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Could this be him?
Name Sevald Martin Pettersen
Birth Date 1887
Spouse's Name Sara Kathinka Torgersen
Spouse's Birth Date 1889
Event Date 26 Apr 1914
Event Place Moss, Østfold, Norway
Father's Name Peter Torgersen
Spouse's Father's Name Haavor Torgersen
Marital Status Single
Spouse's Marital Status Single
Citing this Record
"Norway Marriages, 1660-1926," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N7PX-VG8 : 12 December 2014), Sevald Martin Pettersen and Sara Kathinka Torgersen, 26 Apr 1914; citing Moss, Østfold, Norway; FHL microfilm 125,922.
Apparently this Sevald Martin Pettersen died between 1914-1917:
Name Gunelius Olai Johan Pedersen
Birth Date 1882
Spouse's Name Sara Kathinka Torgersen
Spouse's Birth Date 1889
Event Date 05 Apr 1917
Event Place Moss, Østfold, Norway
Father's Name Peder Anton Olsen
Spouse's Father's Name Hanvand Torgersen
Marital Status Widowed
Spouse's Marital Status Widowed
Citing this Record
"Norway Marriages, 1660-1926," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N7PX-RDJ : 12 December 2014), Gunelius Olai Johan Pedersen and Sara Kathinka Torgersen, 05 Apr 1917; citing Moss, Østfold, Norway; FHL microfilm 125,922.
Possibly the older brother Teodor coming to US?
Given Name Theodor A.
Surname Pettersen
Last Place of Residence Hadsel, Norway
Event Date 30 Nov 1920
Age 43
Nationality Norway, Scand.
Departure Port Kristiania, Norway
Arrival Port New York, N.Y.
Gender Male
Marital Status M
Ship Name Stavangerfjord
Citing this Record
"New York Passenger Arrival Lists (Ellis Island), 1892-1924," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J6X2-24D : 6 December 2014), Theodor A. Pettersen, 30 Nov 1920; citing departure port Kristiania, Norway, arrival port New York, N.Y., ship name Stavangerfjord, NARA microfilm publication T715 and M237 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.).
Ellis Island says he is going to his brother-in-law Simon Gustaff in Portland Oregon, permanent move.
Interesting Simon Gustaff has a son named Ronald in 1940 census:
Name Simon Gustaff
Event Type Census
Event Date 1940
Event Place Tract 12, Portland, Portland City Election Precinct 90, Multnomah, Oregon, United States
Sex Male
Age 48
Marital Status Married
Race (Original) White
Race White
Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Head
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birthplace Norway
Birth Year (Estimated) 1892
Last Place of Residence Same Place
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
Simon Gustaff Head M 48 Norway
Tillie Gustaff Wife F 42 Oregon
Ronald Gustaff Son M 7 Oregon
Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1940," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRT2-25D : accessed 8 January 2018), Simon Gustaff, Tract 12, Portland, Portland City Election Precinct 90, Multnomah, Oregon, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) 37-139, sheet 1B, line 60, family 26, Sixteenth Census of the United States, 1940, NARA digital publication T627. Records of the Bureau of the Census, 1790 - 2007, RG 29. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 2012, roll 3387.
Simon G. Gustaff's obit in the Portland Oregonian says that he was born in "Lanoya, Norway" and has lived in Portland since 1911 and is survived by son Ronald and two daughters Mrs. Nadine Clarkson of Longview Wash. and Mrs. Joe Lambert of Tacoma, Wash and a sister Mrs. Marie Knutson in Norway.
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peder
Advanced member
USA
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Posted - 08/01/2018 : 16:09:38
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from myheritag.com
Sara Kathinka Torgersen & Sevald Martin Pettersen
Marriage: Apr 26 1914
Moss, Østfold, Norway
Wife: Sara Kathinka Torgersen
Birth:
1889
Marital status:
Single
Father:
Haavor Torgersen
Husband: Sevald Martin Pettersen
Birth:
1887
Marital status:
Single
Father:
Peter Torgersen
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2018 : 16:29:37
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| Peder have you searched in the parish books online for the actual marriage record? |
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Kaiser
Junior member
Norway
39 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2018 : 18:54:47
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OMG! This was more than I bargained for. OK Sevald Pettersen just lived a humble life in Norway and died prematurely.
Yes his brother Theodor went to the US but he indeed returned to Norway and was buried at his birthplace Hadsel.
Obviously a lot of conflicting information. The interesting part is that Theodor at the immigration desk claimed he was going to visit his brother in law Mr. Simon Gustaff.
More confusing and I've to ask myself if Simon Gustaff was his brother in law Simon must have been married to Theodor's sister (!) and if that's the case Simons wife would be his sister and until today an unknown relative!
A few years ago a passed relative of mine which also was a skilled key board detective claimed we had relatives in the US descending from this family. I didn't take a note and forgot about if but as it seems today Ronald Bergiton Gustaff and his mother must have been from our family.
Can you say something about this? Above all I appreciate spending your valuable time to help me and I'm profoundly greatful. Best regards from Kaiser |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2018 : 19:27:22
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Well good!
It isn't known for sure if the Sevald Martin Petterson in Moss is your guy or not. I've looked through the Moss by marriages for 1914, the Moss landsokn marriages for 1914 and the banns, lysning records from Moss prestegjeld for 1914 and have yet to find either of the indexed two marriages. You might want to take a look yourself to make sure about this. It appears that the marriage records from that era in Moss do contain information about birthplace and that might seal the deal.
The relationship might be more remote than you think. Perhaps Simon is an in-law of an in-law. He was a successful man in real estate along with a man named Julius G. Gustaff and might attract people to come. You might want to study Theodore's wife a bit to see if the Gustaffs are related to her.
What do you know about the parents of Sevald and Teodore? |
Edited by - jkmarler on 08/01/2018 19:33:28 |
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Kaiser
Junior member
Norway
39 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2018 : 20:02:47
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The parents of Svald and Theodor was Mr. Petter/Peder Tørrisen born 1838 in today Sparbu in Steinkjer municipality but I've seen this place also called Wærdalen/Værdalen maybe linked to the curch parish at that time. Mother was Ingeborg Larsdatter which also had the names Hermundsli and Gåsvatn or both and was born in Rindal municipality in 1841.
Sevald died early and prematurely enough to be forgotten by the remaining relatives of today but one of them said Oregon and Ronald as his son but obviously Ronald had other parents and there is no doubt in my mind this is confusing information given by those who wasn't born at this time and remember only fractions of what the family brought to them and last but not least never had any genuine interest to know anything about this.
It's likely you've presented the right Sevald Martin. In a "bygdebok" for Hadsel where all farms and families are listed I can only find that Peder og Ingeborg only had 4 children and they are all accounted for except for Sevald Martin until today.
Best regards from Kaiser
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2018 : 20:16:08
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Maybe some information on Simon Gustaf
Simon Bergeton Gustaff
in the U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
Name: Simon Bergeton Gustaff
Race: Caucasian (White)
Marital Status: Single
Birth Date: 11 Apr 1891
Birth Place: Norway
Street address: Y. M. C. A. Bldg
Residence Place: Portland, Multnomah, Oregon, USA
Physical Build: Medium
Height: Tall
Hair Description: Not Bald
Hair Color: brown
Eye Color: blue
Simon Bergeton Gustaff
in the U.S., World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942
Name: Simon Bergeton Gustaff
Gender: Male
Race: White
Residence Age: 51
Birth Date: 11 Apr 1891
Birth Place: Vesteaaler, Norway
Residence Date: 1942
Residence Place: Portland, Oregon, USA
Simon emigrated in 1911
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Simon and his family in the 1900 Census.
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Edited by - AntonH on 08/01/2018 21:20:04 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2018 : 20:43:43
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Others have looked for the marriage records as well.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2018 : 20:46:03
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Originally posted by Kaiser
and last but not least never had any genuine interest to know anything about this.
Who will be interested in running down the facts on Sevald, if not you? This should be your responsibility to make certain that what has been found is he. If it is, he and Sara could have had a child or two and there might be other family out there. It might only come down to you. I hope you are interested. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2018 : 20:52:05
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Many thanks, Anton
Marriage # 35
SAST, St. Johannes sokneprestkontor, 30/30BA: Ministerialbok nr. A 8, 1899-1917, s. 146
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050902030147
If you are remembered, it is to live forever....
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2018 : 21:06:03
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Nice find Jackie, I see his birth place is listed as Vesterålen same place as his so-called brother-in-law Simon Bergeton Gustaff
Baptism record for Simon
#16
The only record I can find for a the wife of Simon is the Tillie Olson from the 1940 Census posted by Jackie. She was born in Oregon.
Tillie Anna Olson Gustaff
in the Oregon, Select Births and Christenings, 1868-1929
Name: Tillie Anna Olson Gustaff
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 17 Apr 1897
Birth Place: Silverton, Marion, Oregon
Father: Olaf Olson
Mother: Mathilda Pederson Olson
FHL Film Number: 2259369
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Edited by - AntonH on 08/01/2018 22:38:58 |
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Kaiser
Junior member
Norway
39 Posts |
Posted - 09/01/2018 : 19:05:40
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| A big thank you for all help to clarify the demise of Sevald Martin Pettersen. I've already sent a letter to the municipality where he presumably died to verify if it is the Sevald I'm looking for. I'll also try to contact the Gusaffs in Oregon to find the link between them and the brother of Sevald, Theodor and report back to you. Best regards from Kaiser |
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