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matthewmac66
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 Posted - 21/02/2007 : 20:19:38
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Originally posted by Kåarto
Hi, after a good night sleep I am also more and more convinced: "kristenhaugen" lies in the Odnes area as Jan Peter pointed out, in local parish Fluberg and Kristenhaugen in 1865 census was likely or flagrant a blind track. Martin Kr. Haugen age 3 in the 1865 census was son of Christian Hansen age 36 and Kari(Karen) Knudsdatter (Kindseth) age 37 on farm Haugen as Borge and Jan Peter mentioned earlier. This farm was placed in the Western school region which means on the Western part of Randsforden. On the West side of the delta about 1 mile across the lake from Odnes lies Haugen and the distance between Haugen and Kindsæth, they was "almost" neighbours. Kristenhaugen was likely named after Kristian later than 1865, Martin used the original name Haugen when he emigrated, Martin Kr. Haugen There is one small BUT for the final evidence, the church records, or is it still to many many trees.....
Kåre
That makes sense, and I valued the good night's sleep as well  . The research has been really opening up with help from all of you. Here is an excerpt from Uncle Carl's history of 1934, where it would seem that Christian passed during 1871 and Karen in 1879:
"And so to this union were born these eight children who are honored with this first reunion. Our grandfather (Christian Hansen) was a typical Norwegian in those days, working as a superintendent for a logging company and at the same time caring for his little farm. Farming was different in Norway, however. Rich men owned large portions of land and then erected homes about the countryside where families lived—never owning their places but having the privilege of living there for life provided they helped the owner of the farm so many days of the year. In return they received their home-a certain piece of land to farm and a number of cattle and sheep. In these surroundings the Haugen boys and girls grew up.
But death stepped in to break- up the happy family as the father one day contracted pneumonia and died after a lingering illness. This was in 1871. His death left Mother Haugen (Kari/Karen Knudsdatter-Kindsæth) with eight children to care for—the oldest, Martha (Martea in the Digitalarkivet record), then just 14 years old. Time went on and 8 years later the mother died leaving the family to its own resources. But our journeys to America had then started so now to pick up the trail and follow it through the years.
Uncle Hans in his early days in Norway was a great friend of the Kinseths—Andrew, Chris and Ole. One by one they left Norway for the United States—the land which older folks had told them was one of vast opportunities, especially for the common people. One day Uncle Hans received a letter from Chris Kinseth urging, him to come to America. It was a hard matter to say "yes, I'll come" because he had a wife and small daughter and traveling was not easy in those days. Weeks went by and other letters came from America. A decision was finally reached and in 1879 the first migration of the Haugens to America was started."
I thought that this piece of the document might help clarify the relationship with the Kindsæths, and some of the dates. You all continue to be wonderful in helping me to fill in the blanks.  The "Haugen" children still living in 1934 had adopted the following first names upon arriving in America:
-Aunt Martha, Mrs. M. M. Dahl, Fort Dodge, 78 years old.
-Aunt Christina, Mrs. Christina Johnson, West Bend, 75 years.
-Uncle Hans, Hans C. Haugen, Bode, Iowa, 74 years old.
-Uncle Chris, Chris C. Haugen, Fort Dodge, 73 years old.
-Uncle Martin, Martin C. Haugen, Fort Dodge, 71 years old.
-Uncle Lewis, Lewis C. Haugen, Fort Dodge, 70 years old.
-Uncle Carl, Carl C. Haugen, Fort Dodge, 67 years old.
-Aunt Marie, Mrs. O. Christopherson, Lake Park Iowa, 64 years.
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M. McClellan
North Carolina, USA
Ancestry: Kristenhaugen/Haugen/Christiansen, Olson, Knudsdatter/Kindsæth |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 21/02/2007 : 20:49:25
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Thanks for any help.
Borge, I think this 1865 Kristenhaugen are a bit confusing because of the names of those who lives there, maybee it´s something I might have overlooked .
Kristian and Karen/Kari lived on Haugen with their son Martin age 3 and his five siblings on Haugen in 1865. I have also looked up a new Haugen very close East of Kjenseth. Even we now enter Nordre Land, the border between S & N. Land has been regulated some times. In1901 there are two cotters places named Haugen, all 14 members living there has Haugen as last name in Søndre Land. I still think the two Kristenhaugen in the 1865 census is a blind track. Perhaps Kristian moved to Kristenhaugen after 1865 ,or maybee he named his origon Haugen after himself. |
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matthewmac66
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matthewmac66
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Posted - 21/02/2007 : 20:55:19
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Originally posted by Jo Anne Sadler
The Sons of Norway used to sell highly detailed maps of individual parishes. I looked on their website which has gotten rather confusing and could not find a link. You could email them and inquire.
www.sofn.com
Thank you, Jo Anne  |
M. McClellan
North Carolina, USA
Ancestry: Kristenhaugen/Haugen/Christiansen, Olson, Knudsdatter/Kindsæth |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 21/02/2007 : 21:23:28
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Hi Matthew, your last info solved everything, this is the right family but still the location are a bit confusing, across . The youngest of the siblings, Carl and Marie was born after 1865 and Lars age two in 1865 is Lewis.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 21/02/2007 : 21:28:04
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I pressed send before I was ready, continuing: ....confusing, across Randsfjorden from Odnes in the delta seems most likely to me, but one need to have all possibilities open.
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Borge
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Posted - 21/02/2007 : 21:32:11
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Originally posted by Kåarto
Thanks for any help.
Borge, I think this 1865 Kristenhaugen are a bit confusing because of the names of those who lives there, maybee it´s something I might have overlooked .
Kristian and Karen/Kari lived on Haugen with their son Martin age 3 and his five siblings on Haugen in 1865. I have also looked up a new Haugen very close East of Kjenseth. Even we now enter Nordre Land, the border between S & N. Land has been regulated some times. In1901 there are two cotters places named Haugen, all 14 members living there has Haugen as last name in Søndre Land. I still think the two Kristenhaugen in the 1865 census is a blind track. Perhaps Kristian moved to Kristenhaugen after 1865 ,or maybee he named his origon Haugen after himself.
I think finding a place called Kristenhaugen as one of several cotter's residences under the same main farm (Haugen/Haug), and finding the actual family we are looking for living "next door" to Kristenhaugen is quite convincing. Maybe the family were tied to the Haugen farm in more then one way, it seams as many of the other cotters there could be siblings or relatives of Kristian when looking at their names. Maybe these families moved back and forth between the places as generations shifted, and maybe the wife and children had to move when Christian died? |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 21/02/2007 : 23:22:15
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Hi Borge, now I see what you ment about the 1865 census, it opend my eyes and I think you are right, these tree families are likely related to each other.
The names Hans age 6 and Lars age 2 on Haugen and his father Kristian which was son of Hans NN, we find these names at Cotter with land Lars (Hendriksen) on Kristenhaugen and his son Hans age 27.
Føderådskone (She was given free food and a room) Marthe Johan(ne)sdatter age 58 and Kristians oldest daughter Martea(Marte) age 10.
Føderådskone Marte Johansdatter is likely sister to cotter with land on Berg Kristenshaugen, Johannes Johannessen age 52 and wife Mari Johns-/Johannesdatter age 64 on farm Kristenhaugen.
Haugen prodused or owned 3 cattle, 7 sheeps, 2 1/8(of a barrel?) of mixes grain and 1 7/8 of a barrel with potatoes in 1865, not much for a living. |
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matthewmac66
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Posted - 22/02/2007 : 01:28:49
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Originally posted by Borge
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Originally posted by Kåarto
Thanks for any help.
Borge, I think this 1865 Kristenhaugen are a bit confusing because of the names of those who lives there, maybee it´s something I might have overlooked .
Kristian and Karen/Kari lived on Haugen with their son Martin age 3 and his five siblings on Haugen in 1865. I have also looked up a new Haugen very close East of Kjenseth. Even we now enter Nordre Land, the border between S & N. Land has been regulated some times. In1901 there are two cotters places named Haugen, all 14 members living there has Haugen as last name in Søndre Land. I still think the two Kristenhaugen in the 1865 census is a blind track. Perhaps Kristian moved to Kristenhaugen after 1865 ,or maybee he named his origon Haugen after himself.
I think finding a place called Kristenhaugen as one of several cotter's residences under the same main farm (Haugen/Haug), and finding the actual family we are looking for living "next door" to Kristenhaugen is quite convincing. Maybe the family were tied to the Haugen farm in more then one way, it seams as many of the other cotters there could be siblings or relatives of Kristian when looking at their names. Maybe these families moved back and forth between the places as generations shifted, and maybe the wife and children had to move when Christian died?
What you both have found is fascinating. It will be very interesting to dig further into the relationships between the families (even to travel there and look up the parish records). They appear to be very closely bonded groups. Based on the findings today, I'll continue reading. I have really learned a lot thus far. |
M. McClellan
North Carolina, USA
Ancestry: Kristenhaugen/Haugen/Christiansen, Olson, Knudsdatter/Kindsæth |
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matthewmac66
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Posted - 22/02/2007 : 01:31:07
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Originally posted by Kåarto
I pressed send before I was ready, continuing: ....confusing, across Randsfjorden from Odnes in the delta seems most likely to me, but one need to have all possibilities open.
Kåre
Kåre,
Do you mean the location of the farm(s)? |
M. McClellan
North Carolina, USA
Ancestry: Kristenhaugen/Haugen/Christiansen, Olson, Knudsdatter/Kindsæth |
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matthewmac66
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Posted - 22/02/2007 : 01:33:14
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Originally posted by Kåarto
Hi Borge, now I see what you ment about the 1865 census, it opend my eyes and I think you are right, these tree families are likely related to each other.
The names Hans age 6 and Lars age 2 on Haugen and his father Kristian which was son of Hans NN, we find these names at Cotter with land Lars (Hendriksen) on Kristenhaugen and his son Hans age 27.
Føderådskone (She was given free food and a room) Marthe Johan(ne)sdatter age 58 and Kristians oldest daughter Martea(Marte) age 10.
Føderådskone Marte Johansdatter is likely sister to cotter with land on Berg Kristenshaugen, Johannes Johannessen age 52 and wife Mari Johns-/Johannesdatter age 64 on farm Kristenhaugen.
Haugen prodused or owned 3 cattle, 7 sheeps, 2 1/8(of a barrel?) of mixes grain and 1 7/8 of a barrel with potatoes in 1865, not much for a living.
Yes, I agree. The more I learn about these good people, the more perspective it gives me on my "modern" life and daily needs  |
M. McClellan
North Carolina, USA
Ancestry: Kristenhaugen/Haugen/Christiansen, Olson, Knudsdatter/Kindsæth |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 22/02/2007 : 08:17:46
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Hi Mathew,
intresting letter, this proof why Martin knew where to go when he emigrated in 1884, dest. Bode, someone he knew well had send for him.
Back to Føderådskone e-enke-widow Marte Johanesdatter age 58: She was taken care of and given free food and a room on Haugen and she was not a renter. Marte was for that reason likely Kristians mother married to Hans NN, dead before 1865. This theory can only be proved when the church recors are available online, today these records only lead us back to 1878. |
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matthewmac66
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Posted - 22/02/2007 : 12:29:06
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| That is a very interesting point, and one which I'll try to work on. The intricacies of the language used tell so much about the situation on Haugen, which is really interesting. I was thinking about "Kristenhaugen" after a good rest last night and I suppose it could literally be translated "Christian's Hill", which makes sense. In reviewing earlier writings in this thread, if Christian Hansen was well-known to the landowner (even related), that croft was then named for him. It makes sense then that such a name would be dear to G. G. Martin and his siblings....and that they would want to take at least part of that name to America. Tying that information into the relationship with the Kindsæths paints a great picture of community back in the old days, very close people who looked after each other. That trait has carried down through my Grandmother and Mother. |
M. McClellan
North Carolina, USA
Ancestry: Kristenhaugen/Haugen/Christiansen, Olson, Knudsdatter/Kindsæth |
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matthewmac66
Junior member
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Posted - 22/02/2007 : 12:37:27
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Originally posted by Kåarto
Hi Mathew,
intresting letter, this proof why Martin knew where to go when he emigrated in 1884, dest. Bode, someone he knew well had send for him.
Back to Føderådskone e-enke-widow Marte Johanesdatter age 58: She was taken care of and given free food and a room on Haugen and she was not a renter. Marte was for that reason likely Kristians mother married to Hans NN, dead before 1865. This theory can only be proved when the church recors are available online, today these records only lead us back to 1878.
Yes, it's interesting to read how the chain of events played out. Big brother Hans was the first to venture out. Once he had established his place in Bode, he sent for Martin and the rest of the family......with many in Bode making sacrifices for tickets for them. Always giving of themselves and "sharing the wealth", even in hard times. The document which Karl wrote in '34 goes on to describe the day they all arrived at Hans' place. Uncle Hans still remembered the day, the hat he wore, etc.  I'm with you, I look forward to the availability of the parish records. There will be some wonderful stories in there. |
M. McClellan
North Carolina, USA
Ancestry: Kristenhaugen/Haugen/Christiansen, Olson, Knudsdatter/Kindsæth |
Edited by - matthewmac66 on 22/02/2007 12:42:28 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 22/02/2007 : 14:06:22
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Hi. About your question of the location of Haugen. If Haugen in the delta across Odnes is a part of the Odnes area i think it´s the right farm, but as Jan Peter pointed out , Haugen could also have been located to Odnes, maybee sold and demolished.
When parents left over the farm to a son or a daughter they became Føderådsmann or as in this case Føderådskone. mann =man and kone = wife. When thy left over the farm to one of the children an agreement about Føderåd was made.
In this case widow Marte Johansdatter became Føderådskone on the farm.
Other adults living on a farm not relatef to the ownesrs was Fattiglem-Pauper and Inderste/Innerste- Renter or Lodger.
Another word for Føderåd was Kår, Kårmann or Kårkone
Marte Johansdatter was Kristians mother and she had left over Haugen to her son Kristian when she became a widow.
The English name for Haugen is heap and tells you where in the landscape the farm is plased.
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