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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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 Posted - 15/01/2008 : 20:15:15
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Pauline Maria #103 was an "uægte" child, the mother was Pernille Torstensdatter Øvre Skybergejet and the father Manuel Poulson Sperati from Xania, ie Christiania.
(Im)Manuel and Pernille had an "uægte" son Adolf Georg in Christiania in April 15 1873, see
#244
Pernille was then a widow and Immanuel a musician.
The Sperati family in 1865 is here
The father Paulo is a widower and 45 years old. He came from Torino, Italy and were married 3 times, see Paolo Sperati born 1821 here
In 1874 Immanuel had another "uægte" daughter Emry Victoria with Fanny Lovise Knap, see #122
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Edited by - eibache on 15/01/2008 22:39:54 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 16/01/2008 : 00:20:11
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David,
sorry you missed Fluberg last summer.
Well, next time you know where to go.
here is a map of Oppland county, you´ll see Fluberg, Norsinni and both of the Land municipalities at lake Randsfjorden.
Berg Kristenhaugen is in the north-western part of Søndre land so to enter Fluberg church they had to use the row boat.
Emmigrants from the Fluberg area in 1880 used horsewagon and went east to Gjøvik town at lake Mjøsa where they entered the paddle steamer Skibladner for Eidsvold at minnesund in Akershus where the constitution of Norway Mai 17.1814 was established.
From Eidsvold they took the railway to Dep. port Oslo
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Edited by - Kåarto on 16/01/2008 00:46:07 |
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dhaugen
Starting member
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Posted - 16/01/2008 : 03:57:30
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Our trip to Norway in 2006 was a decision made rather quickly. Along with a cousin, we were invited to sail the coast of central Norway for two weeks. We decided we would stay an additional four weeks and see some parts of the country. Until that time, I had very little information about Norway or my heritage there. We, of course, acknowedged many of the old Norwegian customs in our home growing up. Like most Norwegian-Americans we consumed lutefisk, lefse and flatbrod at Christmas time. As an adult, I found that if I wanted to continue enjoying lefse then I would have to learn to make it. Our grandparents spoke the language although they were brought up on the plains of North Dakota. My father learned the english language in school and spoke some Norsk into adulthood. The children were not encouraged to learn the heritage language.
The only places I knew of at the time were Ringebu and Telemark. My brothers and I along with thirty or so first cousins were aware that our ggrandmother Karen Olsdatter Sparingen was babtized in the Stave church in Ringebu. This plus stories my Grandfather Ole Lee from Rauland, Telemark told us , completed our knowledge of Norwegian history and geography.
After landing in Ålesund, we traveled to the small town of Fiskabyd. From there we sailed to Stavanger and back. We went by car to Molda for a short stay, then on to Trondheim by bus. We picked up a car and traveled to Håltdalen. We stayed there and spent our days sight seeing in Roros and other areas. We returned to Trondheim and and for several days visited the Cathedral during St. Olav Fest as well as other museums. Traveling to Lillehamar by train, we got off at Ringebu and visited the church that afternoon before boarding for Lilliehamar. At our hotel, I was surprised by an email from a family we had coffee and waffles with on the island of Fedje. With the Ringebu information I had, he had unveiled my Ringebu ancestry. Later on that fall, he was able to supply me the same with the Telemark heritage. We spent our final week in the center of Oslo making full use of the Oslo pass. After six weeks , one would think we were ready to return home - but we weren't. What a beautiful country. Hardly a day passes that my Irish wife and I don't speak ofsome memory of Norway.
Everywhere we went I wondered if this was where my father's grandparents were from. Luckily, on a recent trip to North Dakota this fall, I found and corrected information from conversations my aunt had with her father and discovered Søndre Land and Odnes. I have found recent evidence that his mother's father was from Odnes also.
So if it happens that we make a return trip, thanks to your help I will now be prepared to walk on the same ground that my ancestors in this part of Norway walked on.
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 16/01/2008 : 23:52:58
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Some trip you did in Norway last summer, Lillehammer isn´t fare from Søndre Land.
Seems hard to find the wedding record for Ole Johannesen and Andrine Julsdatter.
She was born Dec. 22. 1850 #3, her mother was Inger Knudsdatter.
The mother must have died between June 18. 1857 when the youngest of the siblings Ingeborg was born and 1865 when
Juul Olsen was married to Inge(r) Carlsdatter.
All of the children in the 1865 cencus are recorded as his children.
Juul was born in Nord Aurdal in Oppland.
It must be Juul (Juel) Olsen and his wife who settled down in Søndre Land, top left page, on Nov. 2. 1836, she is listed as Siri Knudsdatter Solbergseie.
"Ingen alder anført" No age are mentioned in the migration record.
The purpose of moving (to Søndre Land): Berges plads
There were two Solberg farms in Aurdal in 1801, Outher and Northern in Bruflat sokn (local parish) in a valley named Etnedalen where the Juul name seems ta have been common.
The name Solberg is coming of Sol/Sun and berg/hill or rock.
The 1801 cencus for Nord Aurdal is placed in the cencus for Sør Aurdal.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 17/01/2008 00:27:48 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 17/01/2008 : 07:34:21
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Kåre,
I gave the wedding record Jan 14, see Nordre Land 187-1881 - #24 1875. |
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dhaugen
Starting member
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Posted - 17/01/2008 : 07:44:20
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Kåre,
I found the marriage of Juel Olsen and Inger Knudsdatter in 1842 - Land: 1833-1849 #16. Her father is Knud Andersen so this must be her. Could he have been first married to Siri? I can't tell if he had been married before.
In familysearch.org, I located a Juul (Juel) Olsen born in 1798 in North Aurdal. Is this him?
I had't noticed that Ole Julsen's children were named as his children. I was thinking the Inger "Carlsdatter" was a census error.
Thank you for your information.
David
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 17/01/2008 : 07:51:38
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Andrines father and his first? wife Siri Knudsdatter had a son Johannes in 1837, see #164
This son must have died since the baptized a Johannes in 1839, see #166
In 1842 Juul was married to Inger Knudsdatter and they had a daughter Siri (named after his first wife), see #118
Siri Knudsdatter died in 1841, see #18
Juel and Inger had a son in 1845, see #5
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Edited by - eibache on 17/01/2008 08:14:11 |
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dhaugen
Starting member
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Posted - 17/01/2008 : 08:19:40
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Einar,
This is getting interesting. Juul Olsen was married three times. I hadn't come across Johanne Juulsen before.
I appreciate these enlightenments.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 17/01/2008 : 09:44:17
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Birth record for Juel Olsen most likely the third from the top left page here
when he married Siri he was 39 years old, should have been born 1803 then, so we also find an Juel the second from the top left page here
parents for both Ole Juulsen and Astri Evensdatter who married April 11 1803 here
Ole Juulsen, his parents and siblings in 1801 here
Astri Evensdatter, her parents and siblings in 1801 here
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 17/01/2008 : 10:04:26
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Knud Andersen age 79 living on Paulserud in 1865 as "Lægdslem" Welfare recipient, must be Inger Knudsdatter´s father.
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 17/01/2008 : 11:47:16
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Even Juelsen Haarud had a twinsister Marit.
"Tvilling barn Even og Marit"
They were christened July 20. 1754 in Ulness local parish in Aurdal, left page #2 from bottom
Parents were Juel Evensen and Astri Joensdatter.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 17/01/2008 14:01:40 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 17/01/2008 : 13:25:40
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Astri Evensdatter´s parents marrried oct. 9. 1780.
Last couple right page:
Oct. 9. Even Juelsen Haarud and Marit Olsdatter Midt Strand, Click here in in Hedalen Stave church
Kåre
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 17/01/2008 : 13:49:20
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Juel Evensen and Astri Joensdatter were engaged Oct 8 1753, see here
Marit Olsdatter was baptized Dec 26 1753, see the fourth from the top right hand page here
Parents were Ole Engelbretsen and Ingri Torsdatter.
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dhaugen
Starting member
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Posted - 17/01/2008 : 18:40:51
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The 1798 Juel Olsen found in familysearch.org is not the right person for my lineage then? Some of the earlier registers would have been difficult for me to find since I do not read Norwegian. It is interesting to see twins show up. In the 1801 census, Astri Johnsdatter is listed as 90 years old. I always like to see longevity in the ancestors.
I will have to change some things on my chart.
always thankful
David
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 17/01/2008 : 23:59:34
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David,
any questions to sort out any mistakes is more than welcome, it´s easy to end up in a blind track and get lost in genealogy.
I have spend years on my own familytree and still a lot is missing.
I am quite certain we have the right Juul Olsen, I cant find anything that could interpret that both son and father had a namesake in Aurdal.
Family Search is a good assistent, but they don´t have all the records.
The 1798 Juel Olsen in Family Search, his father was Ole Olsen.
Søndre Land March 30. 1842, the marrige between Juul Olsen and Inger Knudsdatter you´ll see his father is recorded as Ole Julsen:
Enkemand "Widower" Juel Olsen BergsE 39 Ole Juelsen
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Aurdal 1803
September 18.
Samme Dag Døbt Ole Juelsen Midt Strand og husfrue Astri Evensdatter S Juel (The next is the Godparents)
Same day Christened Ole Juelsen Midt Strand and housewife Astri Evensdatter S (Son) Juel
#3 from top page one as Einar pointed out.
Also see the 1801 cencus for Midt Strand abowe.
This Dictionary with many links down page works well, aspecially when you enter the cencus´s.
It should be possible to bring up more records from Aurdal/Valdres and from S. and N. Land, but now its 38 passed midnight in Norway so its time to take a rest.
Kåre
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