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hjemmet
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 Posted - 16/04/2007 : 06:48:43
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Until today, our family had no written record of the names of my maternal grandmother's parents. I have just printed a record from the Norwegian Histroical Data Centre, Information on domicile, from the 1900 census. There I find my mom's "Bestemor and Bestepapa" with real names and dates, and all the children. This is such magic!
I had been looking for the name deYong for her Bestepapa, because the family "story" is that his father's last name was supposedly deYong, and he was the first Methodist minister to Oslo/Kristiania, coming from Holland.
So now that I have found him (searching for daughter Elfrida Kristiansen) I have been doing earlier census searches for Johan Joergen Kristiansen, my grandmother Eva's father, as he is named in this 1900 census. He is a shoemaker, was born in Chr.sand in 1848, is married to Aase Kristine Kristiansen, also b. 1848 in Chr.sand, and has all 5 children still living at home. I understand that Johan died in a boat of a heart attack in his early fifties. Aase and her two daughters, Elfrida and Eva all came to Boston and settled. The sons, Rolf and Trygve remained in Norway.
I am the proud possessor of Eva's zither harp. Such wonderful memories I have of listening to my Nama's angelic voice singing hymns and playing that zither, with Papa playing his mandolin, my mom on piano, and uncles on guitars. She met my Papa, Robert Leonard Parelius of Horten, because she headed a Norwegian String Band at the scandinavian church in Boston.
So, reminiscing aside, I am now working to deepen Eva Kristiansen's family line. I'll keep looking for the deYong's, maybe through an entry for Johan J. Kristiansen. Right now I am not finding anything further, perhaps someone more experienced can help.
Many thanks,
Ellie Hem Hjemmet
in the beautiful --and today, snowy-- mountains of east Tennessee |
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Hopkins
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Kåarto
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Posted - 18/04/2007 : 00:47:04
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Hi Hjemmet,
this famliy have lived or are born on several places at the East coast of Norway, from Kristiansand in Vest-Agder county to Oslo
daughter: Elfrida was born 1884 in Larvik parish in Vestfold County
son: Rolf was born 1889 in Skien parish in Telemark County.
The methodist-track seems probable according the 1901 census
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=2&filnamn=f00301&gardpostnr=6938&personpostnr=186751&merk=186751#ovre
Likely the Methodist church had their own church-records, all are not online yet, but I have found:
Hollendergata 8 (Dutch street 8) in Oslo was original a methodits-church build 1898, and deYong is a Dutch name.
Aase Kristine was born in Kristiansand Oct. 20. 1847,child nr 57 as "uægte" child, parents: Ole Peter Simonsen and Ingeborg Johnsdatter
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=899&idx_id=899&uid=ny&idx_side=-100
She was confirmed April 27. 1862, nr 28-66
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=900&idx_id=900&uid=ny&idx_side=-291
and worked as a maid in Kristiansand town in 1865, unmarried age 19
htp://www.digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=77&filnamn=f61001&gardpostnr=165&personpostnr=1793&merk=1793#ovre
Johan Jørgen Kristiansen born Nov.28. 1847 was confirmed in Kristiansand church April 24. 1862, nr 14, born on Lundebakken in local parish Søgne at Kristiansand main parish, parents: Christian Jensen and Severine Johnsdatter
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=900&idx_id=900&uid=ny&idx_side=-289
Søgne kirke: http://www.agderkultur.no/Soegne_gamle_kirke/Side1.htm
Kristiansand has two churches. the Dome and Oddernes:
flere bilder=more pictures
http://www.kristiansand.as/severdigheter/kristiansand_kirker.shtml
Skien methodist church
http://www.artemisia.no/arc/historisk/skien/skien.metodistkirke.html
No pictures from Oslo methodist church, but the church is now named Centralkirken.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 20/04/2007 00:11:24 |
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hjemmet
Junior member
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Posted - 19/04/2007 : 16:05:50
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Kaare,
I am so grateful for all these connections. For two days I have been searching and found NOTHING on the deYong name, Aase, Johan, Elfrida or Rolf! For hours and hours I have been reading handwritten birth entries in parish books looking for these ancestors. I have a long way to go to become competent at this search for ancestors. One lesson I HAVE learned today, is to look at the Norwegian record, as the English record does not have all the information!
I did, however, speak again with my mother who has a memory of diving from an island off Oslo where the de Yong's lived, when she was there in '37-'38. She dove into a group of jellyfish and ended up in the hospital! She says this was a little tiny island with no more than one or two homes. She also reported a family story that Johan was actually married to another woman at the same time he was "married"? to Aase. He was also reputed to have some link to lesser royalty, and Oncle Trygve was called "Duke" as a nick-name, referring to this old family story. My mother, Ingrid M. Parelius Hem (b. 1918 in Boston), was only around 19 years old then, so specifics were not of much importance to her . She will really enjoy seeing these pictures of the churches with her magnifying lens (she is nearly blind).
I am going to search for Yong instead of de Yong and see if I can turn anyone up that way. But going back with ancestor names from documents MAY be the only way I will find these people.
So thanks once again for taking this time to help out! You are wonderful!
Ellie |
Edited by - hjemmet on 19/04/2007 17:00:22 |
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eibache
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Posted - 19/04/2007 : 19:11:12
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Aase Christines parents Ole Peter SIMONSEN and Ingeborg Johnsdatter obviously got married and lived in Kristiansand.
They married Dec 29 in 1848. Ole Peter was then 26 years, born in Kragerø and his father was Simon Olsen. Ingeborg was 24 years, born in Øvrebø and her father was John Mortensen.
They can be found in the 1865 census - lodging in house no. 302 in the east 28th quarter of the city. They then had 5 daughters (Aase (born Oct 24) is one of them even though she is called "Aase Kjestine") and two sons.
Johanne Severine was born Sept 27, bapticed Nov 9 in 1851, Anne Karine was born Febr 1, baptized March 24 1856, Joseas born May 16, baptized June 20 1858, Inger Olene born Febr 4, baptized April 5 1860, Oliver born Jan 1, baptized Febr 8 1863 and Theodine born Oct 7, baptized Nov 5 1865. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 20/04/2007 : 00:29:06
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Thanks,
could Aase be counted twice? is it the same Asae working as a maid in Ø- 28 Qvartal reported by Jørgen Tønnesen, but living at home as Einar pointed out in Ø.12 Qvartal reported by E. Strømme?. (guess no one will ever find out)
Øvrebø became own parish in 1805, separated from Oddernes, West-Agder county
Kraberø municipality is in Telemark county |
Edited by - Kåarto on 20/04/2007 00:52:02 |
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hjemmet
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Posted - 20/04/2007 : 17:21:26
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Thanks both of you. Kaara and eibach, for this information. You just cannot imagine how I feel to know the names of my ancestors, when no one in our family is left to tell me!
WHY is it that we don't become interested in geneology until we are getting older and realize our parents and grandparents are not able to give us any, or any reliable, information??? Well, it's not too late. And I will be able to print up our family lines for my relatives as well as post online on the World Tree project, or any other resource you all particularly recommend. I am going to do this when I have at least most of my people annotated with sources.
Kaara, I really appreciate learning where the municipalities are in the counties, it SO helps me in my search. Is there a recommended source for towns/counties in Norway?
Mange tusan takk!!!
Ellie
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Kåarto
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Posted - 20/04/2007 : 19:30:00
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Perhaps to some help Hjemmet, a list about all parish´s would also have been to a great help, perhaps it exist.
Kommune=Municipality
Fylke=County
I can tell you all about getting interested in geneology "too late", it was first after my dear parents died the interest for "who am I" really started.
Norwegian counties and municipalities. http://www.norway.no/kart/kommunerifylke/Default.asp?
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Edited by - Kåarto on 20/04/2007 19:31:42 |
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